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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:15 AM
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Taylor Marsh on Obama: So Much for A Different Kind of Politics
Sean Hannity calls Clinton a socialist (video).

Neal Boortz and other wingnut talkers rant about Clinton's alleged Marxism.

But now Barack Obama has weighed in calling Clinton "Bush-Cheney lite."

She can't be both, boys.

Barack Obama has decided to discard his above the fray campaign, while simultaneously embracing his personality campaign. Today, not only did he scream that Clinton is basically Republican lite, aka "Bush-Cheney lite," which is the worse thing you can call a Democratic presidential candidate, but Mr. Obama also chose to embrace the cult of Reagan. As a former Reagan Democrat I find this lurch into Reagan worship by a leading Democratic contender frightening. As a Democrat wanting to win in 2008 I find it counterproductive, to say the least.

What is it with the bi-partisan fetish for all things Reagan?

After all these years of Bush-Cheney, personally, I'm lookin' for a little Big Dog.

Then there are the facts revolving around Ronnie. First, Ronald Reagan came to power through the ineffective foreign policy of Jimmy Carter, especially after Desert One. You can disagree with that characterization, but as a recovered Reagan Democrat I can speak to why many of us moved over to vote for Reagan and it wasn't just his optimism. It was his perceived kick-ass toughness. Secondly, Reagan never promised to meet with the Soviets in the first year of his presidency. He would never have uttered such a phrase. But one thing is clear, Ronald Reagan was an ideologue, an avowed partisan conservative, though he'd work with anyone to get the job done. Most presidents do.

Obama is touting a new and unconventional brand of grass-roots politics, but his strategy borrows from precedents set by a previous generation of Democrats such as Jimmy Carter and Gary Hart. His advisers also invoke as inspiration a surprising Republican: Ronald Reagan.

"Now, it is blasphemy for Democrats," Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said of Reagan, "but that hope and optimism that was Ronald Reagan" allowed him to "transcend" ideological divisions within his own party and the general electorate.

The upbeat message, Obama advisers say, won't prevent the candidate from stepping up both veiled and explicit contrasts with Clinton, who he hopes to portray as an old-hat conventional politician whose varied positions on the Iraq war reflect calculation rather than leadership. ... ..

Obama models campaign on Reagan revolt


As for avowed partisanship, Obama, not so much.

"I think that I have the capacity to get people to recognize themselves in each other. I think that I have the ability to make people get beyond some of the divisions that plague our society and to focus on common sense and reason and that's been in short supply over the last several years. I'm not an ideologue, never have been. Even during my younger days when I was tempted by, you know, sort of more radical or left wing politics, there was a part of me that always was a little bit conservative in that sense; that believes that you make progress by sitting down listening to people, recognizing everybody's concerns, seeing other people's points of views and then making decisions." - Barack Obama (on ABC's "This Week")


Obama's Kumbaya

It also seems Mr. Obama doesn't understand what Reagan was all about. But that's not the worst of it. Because of his unmitigated error in saying he was ready for a sit down with Castro, Mr. Obama seems to now have come unhinged from his "above the fray" politics, turning to not only attacking Clinton, which is fair game in a political high stakes race, but damning her with the one phrase no Democrat should ever call another unless they're willing to go full on Joe: "Bush-Cheney lite."

Democratic primary voters put Clinton ahead by double digits in state polling. She's had stellar performances in the debates and other forums, with Obama not coming across well at all; until this week when diplomacy and what a Democratic foreign policy should be took center stage. Clinton saw a weakness in Obama's foreign policy philosphy on the diplomatic side and pounced. Obama pushed back, but went way too far. Now both campaigns are taking turns duking it out on tv, as Obama's "Bush-Cheney lite" sounds more and more strident every time it's played.

Obama's got cash to burn and he's going to have to burn it to take Clinton down. He's out spending her in primary states. Meanwhile, she continues to lead with Democratic primary voters. But Obama grabbing on to Reagan's 1980 train is a walk towards the general election, which is a huge mistake in the midst of a primary battle, especially when you tag on the "lite" line. He's run an impressive campaign in many ways, especially in fundraising. He's a natural on the stump. But this week we have seen something else revealed in Obama's styling. He can fight dirty. That's good. But the different kind of politics Obama once offered, which was his major appeal, has imploded. That' bad. That he's willing to call his chief rival "Bush-Cheney lite" says something else entirely. That protecting the Democratic brand for all of our candidates is not important to Mr. Obama. It's anything but a new kind of politics. If Obama weren't who he is and I wasn't giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'd call it swiftboating.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:30 AM
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1. Think about it...in the course of a week Obama has done the following...
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 11:31 AM by SaveElmer
Said he would meet, without precondition, during his first year in office, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, Bashar al-Assad, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...

Has comically claimed the he has the most relevant foreign policy experience of any candidate - Democrat or Republican...

Falsely tried to claim Hillary Clinton has flip-flopped on her views regarding diplomacy...

When that tactic backfired he called Hillary Clinton Bush-Cheney lite...

And insulted all those Democrats who have decided to endorse Hillary Clinton...saying he won't have as many endorsements because he hasn't "done as many favors" for people (Tony Rezko - white phone please)...

And the netroots claim he has had a good week... :rofl:






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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:37 AM
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2. Don;t forget his campaign framing of his run as Reagan-eque (nt)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:45 AM
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3. Right...add that into the mix...nt
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beastieboy Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:46 AM
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4. He can't hang on the big stage, Clinton outclasses him by a country mile.
He will have a Dean moment soon.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:48 AM
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5. If he is attacked He should hit back and Hit hard.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:18 PM
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9. And hit back hard he did. Who really is the naive one? All I gotta do is think back to 2002. nm
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:12 PM
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6. TM brought up an interesting point..
His assessment of Obama-lite in meltdown mode is right on point!

"It's anything but a new kind of politics. If Obama weren't who he is and I wasn't giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'd call it swiftboating."

I'm aghast! I've never heard of a democrat swiftboating another democrat...that's a Republican thing. So, what's a body to think? Is Obama using Republican tactics because he hasn't a clue how to handle himself under pressure (fire) or is it something more sinister?

I'd hate seeing these tactics used on our blacklisted countries... If Obama pisses 'them' off, boom, goes the United States!

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:07 PM
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7. Hillary and Obama...two peas in a pod.
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 01:07 PM by Forkboy
Obama isn't offering a new kind of politics and Hillary is the spokesperson for the old kind of politics.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:12 PM
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8. So let me get this straight...if Obama is attacked
he's not allowed to hit back? Please, taking a defensive position has nothing to do with his message. The Hillary people WISH Obama would just shut up and stop hurting them.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:24 PM
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10. Sure he can.
Even besides this issue the comment is correct.There is very little difference between these two candidates even though few on either side will admit it.There was a dustup about her JACKET ferchrisskes! :D

I'm not saying he can't fight back.In fact I think he has too.But let's not kid ourselves and pretend it's a new way.It isn't. :shrug:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:29 PM
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11. Now you're falling for media horsecrap...there was no JACKET dust-up
just a good joke by Edwards that even Hillary thought was funny...The candidates have done their share of posturing this week but you can't blame this one on them.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:03 PM
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12. You're right..I didn't see it mentioned here at all.
:)

Anyways,the jacket comment wasn't the thrust of my post,which was that Obama is doing what politicians do,what they sadly have to do.But it's not a new kind of politics.Just the opposite.That was my only point.

Right or wrong can be debated by the rest of you,but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. ;)
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:26 PM
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13. Oops, looks like I owe you one
Hilly's using the jacket joke in a fundraising letter:

The Clinton campaign is circulating a fund-raising e-mail, using the flap over the senator’s “cleavage” as the peg. “Now, I've seen some off-topic press coverage,” writes Senior Advisor Ann Lewis, referring to the Washington Post article and ensuing coverage of the topic, “but talking about body parts? That is grossly inappropriate.”

She goes on to call the coverage “insulting” and urges supporters to “Take a stand against this kind of coarseness and pettiness.” She then takes a veiled shot at Edwards, saying, “Hillary's jacket was the subject of some discussion among the candidates -- because it was coral. Debates should be serious business. We are, after all, picking the next commander in chief.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/27/294693.aspx
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:34 PM
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14. That's too funny.
"We are, after all, picking the next commander in chief."

Then why bring it up again? Oh yeah....your money.

That's a subtle as a flaming rhinoceros on acid.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:20 PM
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17. Agreed, HRC and BO are so similar they are clinging to this because they have nothing else...
...to fight over.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:19 PM
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16. Sure Obama can fight back but calling a Democratic rival "Bush-Cheney-lite" crossed the line
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 03:22 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
He was doing okay in the Clinton-Obama duel but he made an unforced error to hand the game to Clinton when he did that...

Note: It crossed the line in political terms. Remember how much Edwards was hurt by pointing out the differences between him and Clobama during the June CNN debate? Well, what Obama did will be seen as worse. Edwards pointed out differences; Obama called HRC a name, and *-Cheney-lite is about the worst thing you can say about a Democrat.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:44 PM
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18. You're exactly right
And check this out:

A senior Pentagon officer who has briefed Clinton told NPR commentator Ted Koppel that Clinton expects U.S. troops to be in Iraq when she ends her second term in 2017

http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2007/7/25/17290/1576

Between Hillary's doublespeak and Obama's campaign manager bragging that they would run his campaign on a cult of personality, deftly avoiding all real issues wherever possible, I'm just about done with this party at the national level. I'll hold my nose and vote for a better economy, but really, fuck these people.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:16 PM
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15. Ok. Let's settle it. HRC is Bush-lite and BO is Reagan-lite
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 03:16 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
:evilgrin: :yoiks:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:51 PM
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19. He said the position of not talking to your enemies is Bush-lite
Because it is.

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