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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:07 AM
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Only the Dull and Stupid Fight Head-on: Some Strategic Thoughts
Reading and watching the news lately has inspired a few strategic tidbits I would like to share.

Force them off the negative: It is always easier to argue from the negative side--criticizing other people's actions, dissecting their motives, etc. And that is why most people will opt for this. If they had to describe a positive vision of what they want in the world, or how they would accomplish a particular task, this would open them up to all kinds of attacks and criticisms. It takes effort and thought to establish a positive position. It takes less effort to work on what other people have done, and poke endless holes. It also makes you look tough and insightful, because people delight in hearing someone tear an idea apart.

Facing these negative-mongers in a debate or argument is infuriating. They can come at you from all angles. Hit you with sarcasm and snide comments, weave all kinds of abstractions that can make you look bad. If you lower yourself to their position, you end up like a boxer throwing punches into thin air. These opponents give you nothing to hit. (In war, it is always easier to hold ground than take ground.) Your task is to force them off this position by getting them to commit to some positive position. Now, you have a target. If they resist or refuse to do this, you can attack them for this resistance.


http://www.powerseductionandwar.com/archives/only_the_dull_a.phtml

NOTE: Those of you familiar with Robert Greene's book The 48 Laws Of Power know that it's written from an amoral tone, and his writings do not concern themselves with what should be, but what has worked to get people what they want. There is also a part that makes it sound like he is agreeing with Bush's position on why we should not withdraw from Iraq when he is just elaborating on it; you should know that that's what he's doing, but I suspect that we'll still see some people jump on that like I could even post unsubtle right-wing propaganda on a left-wing message board and brainwash people. Just wanted to establish that up front.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:09 AM
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1. He also goes into what Michael Moore should have said during his debate with Sanjay Gupta. n/t
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:11 AM
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2. Hilarious
That's exactly what you do every time Nader's name shows up in a thread.

Practice what you preach.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:19 AM
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4. I would disagree.
The Naderites would like to have a disagreement about alleged shortcomings of the Democrats, and I bring the debate instead to their personal betrayal of people through the Naderist terrorist strategy.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:14 AM
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3. Thanks for this article
I think that the wise person listens to his opponent and then asks for a specific positive position from the individual. By having listened to the negativity, the wise man can keep the other fellow on point by always going back to what has been said and ask for a positive statement.

Thanks for this!
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:40 AM
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5. These sorts of things should be taught in every high school.
Aristotle, Machiavelli, the rules and techniques of rhetoric. If all citizens simply knew what types of fallacious reasoning can be used, what types of deception are possible, there would not have been a George W. Bush presidency. Ignorant of these few basic ideas, our discourse, sense of civic-mindedness, our whole vision of the country falls ill. Most Americans are vulnerable to even the most superficial facility with rhetoric and deception. Rove is no genius, for example. People are ignorant.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:36 PM
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6. Kick for the night crowd.
:kick:
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