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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:42 PM
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States Swing For Clinton in Poll...Hillary RULES!!
A new poll out today gives New York Senator Hillary Clinton a decisive lead in Florida, the first big delegate prize in the race for the Democratic nomination.
While last week's Washington Post-ABC News poll of likely Democratic voters in Iowa showed the battle for the nation's first caucus as a three-way tie, the new Quinnipiac University survey gives Clinton a wide 30-point advantage over Illinois Senator Barack Obama in the Sunshine State.


Clinton is supported by 43 percent of registered Democrats in Florida, far outpacing Obama at 13 percent and former vice presidential candidate John Edwards at 8 percent. Former vice president Al Gore, who has said he has no intention of again seeking the presidency registered at 11 percent in the poll, which has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus five percentage points.

The New York senator's big lead in Florida's primary, set for Jan. 29, 2008, is matched in a simultaneous poll of registered Democrats in Ohio. In that state, Clinton has a 25-point lead over Obama. Ohio, while already labeled as a swing state (again) for the general election, is not scheduled to hold its presidential primary until early March, potentially after the nomination has been wrapped up.

In Pennsylvania, the third state Quinnipiac surveyed by telephone from July 30 to August 6, Clinton has a 16-point edge over Obama. Pennsylvania's primary is slotted for April 22nd, but state officials are considering moving it up to catch some of the early year frenzy.

"Sen. Clinton has increased her substantial Democratic primary lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to 25 points in Ohio, 16 points in Pennsylvania and 30 points in Florida, the first big state to hold a primary, scheduled for January 29, 2008, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Giuliani is treading water in the Republican primary, holding leads over Arizona Sen. John McCain or former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson of seven points in Florida, 18 points in Ohio and 13 points in Pennsylvania."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/08/08/states_swing_for_clinton_in_po.html
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:49 PM
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1. Thank you.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:35 AM
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27. Yes Thank You! Thank You Very Much!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:52 PM
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2. And for all the dunderheads thinking Oprah is going to change what IS....
It just ain't gonna happen!
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democratsin08 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:56 PM
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19. im smarter than oprah
i dont need her to tell me how to vote. iowa is home territory for obama. he should be ahead by 50 points there
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:29 PM
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50. But Oprah played a key role in getting Swartzenegger elected as California's governor.
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 05:30 PM by oasis
She invited the Gropenfuhrer on her show to help him with the women's vote.After all, everybody knows Oprah wouldn't allow a serial sexual harrasser to promote his candidacy on her show.

Not Oprah. :eyes:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:52 PM
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3. That's what everybody keeps telling us (that she rules)
except to EVERY democrat I know-Tweety and his ilk are quick to try and shove her inevitability down our throats but go read any of the blogs and she's WAY down on most of our lists
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:58 PM
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4. Well you can peruse the OP at your leisure.. the evidence and proof is there..
Officially, Obama has peaked, pancaked and plateaued.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:01 PM
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5. Hillary's lead in Florida doesn't surprise me one bit.
It relates to SaveElmer's thread about Hillary being the only candidate to show up at the AARP convention. She knows that older Americans are a valuable voting block, and they know that she will do the most for them.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:27 PM
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7. Yup, and the no shows will pay dearly for the ultimate snub..
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:57 PM
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20. That's been debunked, there was no AARP snub by the others
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3506313

I'm not at all surprised by Hillary's lead in Florida, she has over 15 years of name recognition and that many years with a Clinton-linked campaign team, with much less coverage for the others. In many other critical battleground states, Edwards, Obama and the others are tying or even beating Hillary, despite all her advantages. And too many Clinton supporters are burning their bridges with arrogant, misleading attacks on the other candidates.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:02 PM
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6. Why do you think Florida moved the primary ahead?
:think:
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:54 PM
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8. When Evan Bayh enters the race
HILLARY IS GOING DOWN!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:17 PM
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9. Sen Bayh counted himself out early on...
He isn't about to enter the race so far behind now.
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:37 PM
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11. LIES!
STOP MAKING NEGATIVE POSTS ABOUT MY CANDIDATE/LOVER!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:45 PM
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12. Stop playing Jumanji with my thread....
now skid-addle!
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:01 PM
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21. EVAN BAYH OR FASCISM
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:24 PM
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10. Oh, I thought this was going to be about the general election and I would be pleasantly surprised.
How naive of me. Once again, we will nominate an unelectable candidate.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:49 PM
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14. Yes, you are naive. Did you actually think they'd run
the GE before the Primary?

The OP is about the standing in the Primary. As you can see, Hillary is enjoying a huge lead over her rivals.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:48 PM
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13. This poll is old.
It's from the beginning of August and has been out for a month.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:56 PM
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15. The poster doesn't seem to check his or her sources very well.
Same one also posted a right-wing hit piece today attacking Obama for policies Hillary supports.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:56 PM
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16. Old or New Polls...Hillary has consistently been the front runner since she announced...
Up to date Polling numbers verifying her front runner status is consistent...

September 8, 2007 Rasmussen daily: Clinton 45%, Obama 23%, Edwards 13%

September 6, 2007 Rasmussen: Clinton 43%, Obama 24%, Edwards 12%

September 6, 2007 Public Policy Polling North Carolina (home state of John Edwards) poll (pdf): Clinton 30, Obama 21%, Edwards 28%

September 6, 2007 Quinnipiac Ohio poll: Clinton 44%, Obama 15%, Edwards 11%

September 6, 2007 Keystone Pennsylvania poll: Clinton 38%, Obama 21%, Edwards 17%

September 6, 2007 ARG Michigan poll: Clinton 43%, Obama 21%, Edwards 14%

September 5, 2007 South Carolina poll: Clinton 26, Obama 16, Edwards 10%

August 31, 2007 Detroit News Michigan poll: Clinton 40%, Obama 21%, Edwards 16%

August 30, 2007 ARG Iowa poll (in the field August 26-29): Clinton 28%, Obama 23%, Edwards 20%

August 30, 2007 ARG New Hampshire poll: Clinton 37%, Obama 17%, Edwards 14%

August 30, 2007 ARG South Carolina poll: Clinton 32%, Edwards 24%, Obama 21%
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:18 AM
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24. Yeah Gephradt and Lieberman did great in the polls too.It worked out well for them!
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 04:19 AM by saracat
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:47 PM
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17. Is there a Pink Revolution emerging here?
Tell me, ladies. Do you think that there's a "Pink Revolution" emerging that will carry Hillary into the White House? Will a significant number of female voters of every political stripe rise up -- determined to elect a President of their own gender for the first time ever?

Here in Texas in 1990, we hadn't had a female governor since Ma Ferguson followed Pa Ferguson into the governor's chair in the 1920's. But, in 1990, we had a gubernatorial race between State Comptroller Ann Richards and millionaire misogynist Claytie Williams. Williams was such a sexist lout that even Republican women organized carpools to get voters to the polls for Ann Richards. (Ann won in 1990 and then lost in 1994 when Rove engineered Daddy Bush's ne'er-do-well, wastral son into the governor's office.)

So -- are women going to step up in significant numbers to make Hillary POTUS #44? Whaddya think?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:54 PM
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18. Hillary doesn't believe in age discrimination...Obama does!
Shushing the Baby Boomers




"THE time has come, Senator Barack Obama says, for the baby boomers to get over themselves."

In taking the first steps toward a presidential candidacy last week, Mr. Obama, who was born in 1961 and considers himself a member of the post-boomer generation, said Americans hungered for “a different kind of politics,” one that moved beyond the tired ideological battles of the 1960s.

To make his point, Mr. Obama, a Democrat from Illinois in his first term in the Senate, announced the formation of his presidential exploratory committee in a video streamed on his Web site. He is tieless and relaxed and oh so cool.

Mr. Obama calculates that Americans of all ages are sick of the feuding boomers and ready to turn to the generation that came of age after Vietnam, after the campus culture wars between freaks and straights, and after young people had given up on what überboomer

****Hillary Rodham Clinton (who made her own announcement on the Web yesterday) called in a 1969 commencement address a search for “a more immediate, ecstatic and penetrating mode of living.”****


Yes, vote for a president that doesn't believe in age discrimination against any age of Americans! That would be Senator Clinton!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/weekinreview/21broder.html?ex=1327035600&en=b1368edf6827a3a9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:14 PM
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39. tellurian, this cartoon is offensive!
It's borderline racist, the way it selectively exaggerates many of Obama's features the way the old Jim Crow cartoons did, portraying him as smug. I know you probably did not intend it this way, but for those of us who have seen these old caricatures of African-Americans, your cartoon is disgusting. Do put it up again!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:16 AM
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43. Bub-bye..
Who's borderline? Yours? The article was published in the NYT...grow a thicker skin and try arguing the merits of the topic. Your feigned outrage is boring and a cowardly finger pointing act.

Google caricatures of Hillary then comeback and bellyache some more.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:18 PM
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40. OMG, Obama says you Boomers aren't the center of the world, THE HORROR!!!
:eyes:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:17 AM
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44. But they are... Boomers have proven time and time again to affect change..
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:18 PM
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46. Looks like you just proved my point.
Boomers like to congratulate themselves for movements that were really started by thier elders. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Tom Hayden, and Betty Friedan weren't Boomers.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:03 PM
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48. They didn't do it alone.. Remember that!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:44 PM
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49. The Boomers aren't the center of the world, obviously YOU haven't noticed either!!!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:55 AM
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26. Not only no,
but hell no.

Thanks for asking.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:06 PM
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37. I have no particular interest in Hillary per se....
I just wanted to ask about it.

Since Wesley Clark and Al Gore aren't players in the race, I'm staying on the sidelines. I am encouraged by the weakness I see in ALL of the Republican contenders, but I'm worried by the field of Democratic contenders. As I see it, the Democrats aren't that much stronger than the weak field of Republicans.

I know that the Hillary camp is trying their best to cultivate an air of inevitability around her, but I'm NOT buying it. After Iowa and New Hampshire, we'll see who's really in the catbird's seat at that point.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:12 PM
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38. NO! Among Democrats I know who oppose Hillary, the most intense oppostion has been
among Democratic women. Ooga booga, people really don't care a whole lot about superficial things like a candidate's race and gender-- there are good and bad politicians of both genders and all races. What matters is where they stand. And a disturbingly high number of women Democrats really do not like Hillary at all-- the Iraq War is one thing, Hillary's hostility toward US labor on many fronts is another. They won't vote for her, even if she's nominated.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:04 AM
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41. the Anti-Hillary sentiment out there....
scares the crap out of me.

I think my biggest fear is that she captures the nomination and then the anti-Hillary warriors go into overdrive and she loses to one of those lame Republicans.

By the way, I know that there are lots of earnest, thoughtful people out there who honestly think that gender and race are not factors in this race. I WISH I could believe that. I'd really LIKE to, but I don't. I think that Hillary's gender and Barak Obama's race ARE significant factors for a huge number of potential voters out there. Both in good ways and in bad ways.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:24 PM
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47. I'm female and I hate pink.
Does that help?
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:03 PM
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22. Obama has not been campaigning in PA or OH so what is the point
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:09 AM
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23. And whoopee Florida's primary votes won't count!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:42 AM
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25. Congratulations. Hillary leads some polls
That's not enough for me. Please tell me, from a policy standpoint, what makes Hillary the best candidate. What policy positions does she hold that are superior to her opponents, and why?

Thanks in advance.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:46 AM
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31. NAFTA CALEA DMCA are all the reasons I need to hate everything that is clinton
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:12 AM
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28. In the doublespeak of the fringes, this means "Clinton Fatigue."
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:28 AM
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29. Wait a minute. This is a one-month old poll. And It was not released today like you said
The poll was conducted from the end of July to August 6th.
Why are you treating it as breaking?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:35 AM
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32. Why do you think he's using it now?
Because he's well past the point of honesty and decency in his support of Hillary.

And what's sad is that fellow Hillary supporters either support these tactics or don't speak out about them.I know that when I see some Edwards and Kucinich supporters doing something like that I cringe, and I've spoken to some of them about it, and how it reflects on those two men.Maybe there's some Hillary supporters saying something privately like I have, and if so I thank them for doing so.

It's also sad that these people who use these tactics are often the most vocal about how much they, and only they, are the real Democrats, yet they obviously could care less about the impact they make within that party, and the damage they cause.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:15 PM
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33. "because he's well past the point of honesty and decency in his support of Hillary."
"they obviously could care less about the impact they make within that party, and the damage they cause".

Wow so many wild unsubstantiated accusations and smears.

Why don't you start with how Clinton supporters are damaging the Democratic party?

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:04 PM
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36. I don't think Clinton supporters are hurting the party.
But I totally stand by my words regarding this OP."They" refers to people like that, regardless of which candidate they support.

And yes, they ALL hurt the party.I didn't you expect you to get that anyways.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:25 PM
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34. DUer Aya Reiko posted the newest polls from 9/7. See if you like them better
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:29 AM
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30. Why are you orgasmic about a monty-old poll?
Look at the date in that poll.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:27 PM
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35. DUer Aya Reiko posted the newest polls from 9/7. See if you like them better
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:30 PM
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53. Here are a few new polls as well...
September 10, 2007 Survey USA California poll:

Clinton 51%, Obama 27%, Edwards 14%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=487589bb-87d0-4a2a-96b4-3721541076b9

September 10, 2007 Gallup:

Clinton 43%, Obama 24%, Edwards 16%

With Gore: Clinton 39%, Obama 19%, Gore 16%, Edwards 14%;

Combined Responses:

Clinton 63%, Obama 41%, Edwards 31%, Gore 28%;

Head-to-Head: Clinton 63%, Obama 32%

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-09-09-politics-poll.htm
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:23 AM
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42. Ha Ha, Wow! Still not voting for her!
Over and over and over again until America and it's Democratic contingent gets it right, I guess.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:18 AM
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45. Oh Brother! You and Wyldwolf have outdone yourselves today.
Maybe we should just stop the campaigning and anoint HRC Queen?!? :eyes:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:25 PM
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52. Glad to know, I'm in good company..
My state has already anointed Hillary as the Dem Nominee...on the evening news tonight.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:18 PM
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51. Citing the Post calls into question anyone's credibility
Particularly when one seems to enjoy lots of bold print....
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