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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:35 AM
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Hsu Steered Major Fundraiser to Obama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090703047.html?hpid=topnews


Hsu Steered Major Fundraiser to Obama
Campaign Acknowledges Link to Democratic Donor Who Is Now Under Arrest


By Matthew Mosk and John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 8, 2007

Before becoming a major bundler for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, disgraced Democratic donor Norman Hsu helped host a 2005 California event for Barack Obama's political action committee and introduced the senator from Illinois to one of the biggest fundraisers for his presidential bid.

Federal Election Commission records show that Hsu gave $5,000 to Obama's Hopefund PAC in connection with the fundraiser and that people publicly identified with Hsu and his companies gave an additional $19,500 to the PAC in 2005 and 2006.

Mark Gorenberg, who now sits on Obama's national finance committee and is one of his biggest fundraisers, said Hsu organized an early 2005 event for the Hopefund and invited him to help raise money.

"He introduced me to Barack Obama," Gorenberg said of Hsu. "He was working on an event for Barack's PAC, and he asked me to help, and I did. Barack came up to San Francisco, and introduced him to a bunch of people."


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Hsu said in a July interview with The Washington Post that although he has become a strong backer of Clinton, he had worked on Obama's behalf and had connected Obama with Gorenberg. "I was the person who got him involved in Obama fundraising," Hsu said.

Gorenberg said he is worried about Hsu. "Despite it all, I still love the guy," he said. "Despite everything you read, every experience I ever had with him was nothing but delightful, and I just scratch my head."


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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:40 AM
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1. ssssh! nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:40 AM
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2. Mrs. Clinton Has No Knowledge Of Her Fundraisers... Can't Be Held Responsible...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:46 AM
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7. None of them can be held responsible
That's the beauty of it, right? :puke:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:41 AM
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3. Nice cheap shot and lie... is Gorenberg being investigated or under arrest?
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 09:42 AM by zulchzulu
Sometimes you supporters of Senator Clinton are just plain pathetic. Is Gorenberg under indictment?

Wow. Swing and a big, big miss.







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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:46 AM
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6. I Hear That Someone At An Obama Fundraiser Was Once In The Same City As Abramoff!!!
Obama is clearly corrupt!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:47 AM
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8. No, but Gorenberg was one of Kerry's big fundraisers:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/25/obama_wins_top_kerry_donor

Barack Obama has just landed one of John Kerry's most important fundraisers: Mark Gorenberg, a California-based venture capitalist who's a top fundraiser for the Democratic Party, a source has confirmed to Election Central.

Gorenberg is a heavyweight in fundraising circles who's helped turn San Francisco into a major fundraising source for Democrats. He was a leading fundraiser for Kerry in 2004 as his California finance chair, and also raised more than $1 million for 27 Dem House candidates in 2006, according to the Connecticut Post.

Kerry left the Presidential race yesterday, and his top donors and operatives are being aggressively wooed by the other Dem candidates. More soon.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:47 AM
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10. Wapo is lying about Hsu's connection to Obama? Proof, please?
:popcorn:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:56 AM
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24. I think Gorenberg is clean
I've never heard a hint of scandal around him, I can't imagine the leap somebody had to make to make this a story.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:44 AM
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4. The Wall Street Journal has a thorough background piece on Hsu today
At a New York restaurant overlooking Central Park in April 2006, the governor of Pennsylvania sat down to dinner with about a dozen Democratic supporters. The 10-course meal in a private room at Per Se, including dishes like Nova Scotia Lobster Tail "Cuite Sous Vide," cost about $18,000, says a diner who was there. The host, Norman Hsu, was a businessman that the crowd admired but knew little about.

-snip

His tale also shows the foibles of the U.S. political fund-raising system, which attracts a crazy-quilt of donors -- including ordinary citizens, the powerful trying to expand their fame, the ambitious seeking favors and social outsiders seeking a ticket into the American elite. Campaigns say they try to screen this mélange of donors, but the task is difficult and the hunger for cash means they sometimes don't look too closely.

"It is hard to raise money, and everybody is anxious to succeed," says John Catsimatidis, a fellow Democratic fund-raiser. "Nobody wants to think anything is bad about somebody who is doing so much to help. He was a very, very nice man."

-snip

Just how or why he got involved in politics is unclear. In 2004, Mr. Hsu donated $2,000, the most then allowed, to the presidential campaign of Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John Kerry.

Mr. Hsu began contributing generously to an array of Democrats, including California Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu. He donated $5,000 to Bob Hertzberg, who was running for mayor of Los Angeles. When Bill Richardson ran for governor of New Mexico, Mr. Hsu was among the top contributors, donating $37,000 in all. Mr. Richardson, like most other recipients, now says he'll donate it to charity.

In 2004, Mr. Hsu began giving to federal candidates, including Mrs. Clinton and Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama. He also donated checks from others.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118920845515221199.html?mod=home_we_banner_left


This system needs fucking fixing. "Nobody wants to think anything is bad.." indeed.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:57 AM
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15. "Mr. Hsu began contributing generously to an array of Democrats"
From the link above: "Mr. Hsu began contributing generously to an array of Democrats, including California Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu. He donated $5,000 to Bob Hertzberg, who was running for mayor of Los Angeles. When Bill Richardson ran for governor of New Mexico, Mr. Hsu was among the top contributors, donating $37,000 in all. Mr. Richardson, like most other recipients, now says he'll donate it to charity."

Perhaps we need the Patriot Act to check on all donors.
That'll certainly cut down on the numbers who contribute!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:45 AM
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5. Will the same DUers who attacked Hill over Hsu attack Obama now?
Of course not...
:eyes:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:47 AM
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9. Has Hsu Bundled Money For Obama?
Of course not...
:eyes:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:49 AM
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12. You claim all the Hsu/Clinton DU outrage was only over "bundling"?
Of course not...
:eyes:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:50 AM
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13. No. It Was Over *Hsu* Bundling (nt)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:54 AM
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14. You claim it was Hsu, not Clinton, DU's ObamaFans were bashing?
That's an interesting defense of the DU Obama Fan Club.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:04 AM
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16. Sorry If I Miscommunicated
It was over Mrs. Clinton's acceptance of Hsu's bundled money.

Given that her husband was always very careful to reward large contributors with government largesse, this doesn't feel very good.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:15 AM
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18. I understand your point
But for every thoughtful and well reasoned criticism of Sen. Clinton posted on DU for the things Hsu did, I read scores that were neither thoughtful nor reasonable. As Richardson, Clinton, and Obama et al return the money, let's hope the days of quid pro quo continue to be historical anecdotes only.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:52 AM
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23. Not surprisingly, no nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:57 AM
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25. Mark Gorenberg isn't under investigation
Why should someone criticize Mark? I don't get it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:47 AM
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11. big deal...hillary took the money too
this guy conned everyone he came in contact with. if you read the story of this guy you`d see what he has done and to who...
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:15 AM
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20. yes, most of us know that, but there are many threads connecting only
HRC to this man and even though the entire story was posted clearly over and over last week, according to many members, this man belonged to one candidate only.



Just clearing the air with news that the other camps do know and acknowledge.
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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:09 AM
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17. Can someone please tell me--
--what the difference is betweeen this and the Abramoff scandal? I have had huge family problems (my mom was very ill) and have not had the time or the inclination to keep up with things the way I should.

My understanding is that Abramoff was a crook and he was tied to the Repubs. This thing seems to be that Hsu is a crook and he is tied to Dems.

Please, what is the difference?
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:10 AM
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19. The dems didn't know and most gave the money to charity as soon as they found out.
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 11:11 AM by Alamom


Hsu is - was a Fundraiser not a lobbyist.

It seems no one knew he had a conviction in Ca about 10 years ago. He was living and socializing openly on the East Coast. He raised and donated huge sums to many Democrats and Dem Orgs.

When the story broke, only Hillary was tied to him (here) even though all reports said he supported and funded many others. He did.


edgr
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:23 AM
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22. About sixty seven criminal counts for one
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 11:23 AM by Capn Sunshine
Throwing fundraisers is a far cry from shoehorning legislation favorable to your clients into law, bribing congresspeople for their votes, and taking money from everywhere by implying you have undue influence with the Speaker of the house, and threatening actual national security by diverting funds to your cronies.

Not even playing in the same ballpark.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:59 AM
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27. Money Launderng, Bribery - BIG difference
There's no evidence that anybody was out and out bribed, or any accusation to that effect. The guy is just a crooked businessman in his personal life.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:19 AM
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21. As I said when Hillary was connected to Hsu, big fuckin' deal.
This won't have any impact against any of our candidates.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:01 AM
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28. I think Mark Gorenberg is clean
This is a leaked story to deflect attention from Hillary. This is the power they have in the media - that they ONLY use to their benefit. Tell your parents that at least your backing someone with ethics.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:49 PM
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29. All this does is show was HRC had no monoploy on Hsu nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:58 AM
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26. oops
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