Unions Press Clinton on Outsourcing Of U.S. Jobs

Saturday, September 8, 2007; Page A01

When Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew to New Delhi to meet with Indian business leaders in 2005, she offered a blunt assessment of the loss of American jobs across the Pacific. "There is no way to legislate against reality," she declared. "Outsourcing will continue. . . . We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences."

Two years later, as a Democratic presidential hopeful, Clinton struck a different tone when she told students in New Hampshire that she hated "seeing U.S. telemarketing jobs done in remote locations far, far from our shores."

The two speeches delivered continents apart highlight the delicate balance the senator from New York, a dedicated free-trader, is seeking to maintain as she courts two competing constituencies: wealthy Indian immigrants who have pledged to donate and raise as much as $5 million for her 2008 campaign and powerful American labor unions that are crucial to any Democratic primary victory.

Despite aggressive courtship by Democratic candidates, major unions such as the AFL-CIO, the Teamsters and the Service Employees International Union have withheld their endorsements as they scrutinize the candidates' records and solicit views on a variety of issues.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702780.html



8 Sep 2007
WASHINGTON: Democratic Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has received backing from leading Indian Americans, is walking a fine line on the sensitive outsourcing issue as key Labour unions withhold endorsements pending clear position from the candidates on it, a leading American newspaper has said.

Media has profiled the predicament of Senator Clinton in a front page article contrasting the two different positions she has taken on the issue over the last two years.

Clinton has been pressed by Labour leaders on her support for expanding temporary US work visas that often go to Indians who get jobs in the US, the report said.

"There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue... We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences," Clinton told Indian business leaders in New Delhi in 2005 and two years later she as a Presidential hopeful told students in New Hampshire that she hated "seeing US telemarketing jobs done in remote locations far, far from our shores."

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Hillary_Clinton_walking_fine_line_on_outsourcing/articleshow/2350807.cms

for sending our jobs to India. NONE. And we damn well better start "legislating" against it.If she can't find a way to prevent this , she is noone's "girl" and most certainly not the workers!She is just kissing the butt of those who back her.This is a valid reason Clinton should not be President.She sold us out.

This will probably cost Hillary the nomination/general election more than anything else, even more than Iraq. Many Democrats and Independents, while angry about Iraq, won't necessarily ditch Hillary over that alone-- but support for outsourcing and increasing the H1B visa quota? Yikes, that's a red line. I've encountered vitriolic rage against Hillary over that issue alone.

The outsourcing and the H1's, threaten people's jobs and fundamental well-being-- that's about as fundamental as it gets. I can kinda sorta understand Hillary's angle here, it's just this is definitely *not* something that plays in Peoria. I guess, in a sense, whatever macroeconomic arguments one wants to make in favor of outsourcing, it's the *timing* that's terrible. We're in the economic doldrums, jobs are hard to find, well-educated Americans are mired in debt-- this is definitely *not* the time to be embracing a policy that explicitly costs Americans jobs, especially costs jobs for Americans with years of school and technical training, therefore mucho debt.

Again, it surprises me because, despite some major blunders like Iraq, I never thought of Hillary as being *too* out of touch with the needs of the US public, but this one's just off the charts in terms of political blunders. What in the world is she thinking with this?

I'm undecided as of yet, but if Hillary wants any shot at all, she has to come out firmly against outsourcing and against any extension of the H1-B's. This is wildly unpopular.

Hillary's stance on this-- supporting outsourcing and H1 visa increases-- is the one issue that could really do tremendous, personal damage to millions of middle-class Americans and cost them their very jobs. Politically, extremely foolish on Hillary's part, more than anything else.

But it wouldn't surprise me one bit to know of more Democrats that approve of the same thing--and many more that will follow suit.:shrug:

Bill twisted arms to bring us NAFTA and accelerate the loss of manufacturing jobs, now Hil is all for the rather pathetic tele-marketing jobs being lost to US workers.
The new boss same as the old boss.

who does not or will not realize the decision made was wrong. OR we have someone who sees the chaos caused by outsourcing and wants to change the practice...darn....Some democrats are getting to be like the republicans....Two sets of rules one to bash Hillary with and one for every body else...

for US Americans. NOT!

Some programmers are being laid off just because the companies want to make a larger profit by hiring a company overseas. If we have Americans capable of doing the jobs why outsource. It is down to the point of companies wanting larger and larger profits at the cost of Americans. It needs to end.

All the money from the middle class is going to larger profits to the corporations which goes to politicians which goes to their pocket while we all pay. They are going to continue to get away with it if we allow them to take away our rights to stand up against.

Dennis Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate that is standing up and speaking out on important issues like that. To me that makes someone presidential or electable not if they can get on tv and have the most money. The sad thing is there is also Ron Paul on the Republican side speaking out about the constitution and our rights, really sad when even a Republican stands up for the people more than all but one of our Democrats...and we are accepting that?????? America has fallen asleep at the wheel, and has been brainwashed by the media and the politicians games just like they planned we would do. I hope enough people wake up before the primaries or I think it will be too late!

I'm not sure to be honest, just that Edwards and Obama definitely give off much more of a populist, labor-friendly vibe than Hillary does. I've certainly never heard them voice support of outsourcing, among others things, and they don't want to expand the H1.

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Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Allen (R-VA), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burns (R-MT), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Salazar (D-CO), Not Voting
Santorum (R-PA), Nay
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Nay
Thomas (R-WY), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Where's that broom Hillary keeps talking about?

and enacts the Dream Act to help kids who have attended school in the US for the majority of their lives, and a host of other good immigration reform.

The thing you should be fighting is Guest Worker, which is a revolving door for cheap labor.

Most Democrats supported this legislation because it was the best that could be hoped for, and would have taken immigration away as a wedge issue in 2008.

That's why management outsources to low wage countries.

OhioChick, I appreciate it.

OS

as I come across them, Steve! :thumbsup: