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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:37 PM Original message |
Edwards: "they should not submit a single funding bill without a timetable for withdrawal attached." |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. He co-sponsored the IWR then fled the scene |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. whatever it takes to lead the parade into or out of Iraq - Edwards is flexible |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. We don't have to wonder at all. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Let's examine these common memes |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. Your comparison to Kerry doesn't cut it |
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NCarolinawoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. And Edwards has never made one trip to Iraq. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. If you declare it to be so, it must be so! nt |
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NCarolinawoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. He's local. n/t |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Your post doesn't cut it |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I can see that you will |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Fair enough, except for the last line |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Then why mention Kerry? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. He is the best example of the flaw in worshiping at the altar of the IWR |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. I understand that |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Kerry's vote for the IWR.... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. So there are now "good" votes FOR the IWR? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Just sayin' that there's a difference between voting for the IWR... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. And that has what relevance to the original point? nt |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Edwards was a proud co-sponsor of Chimpy's IWR. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. As we all have known since 2003. What relevance does that have to the issue at hand? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. The best predictor of the future is what he did in the past |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Look at Iran. They are similar on that and BO is actually slightly more hawkish |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Obviously not because of the IWR |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Sad to say ... Edwards has been relegated to gadfly status. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. That must explain why he is catching the Obama juggernaut in the polls |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I don't wonder - he'd do what Nancy Pelosi alleges he always did |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:55 PM Original message |
When did Pelosi, who never served with JE, make that alleged statement? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. I dislike Edwards because of HIS OWN ACTIONS. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. That is what all the Clarkies say. They all individually decided to dislike Edwards |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. He beat Edwards five out of the nine races in which they both |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. What does that have to do with Clark going from front-runner to battling with 2nd-tier Edwards? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
61. I was for Kerry, not Clark |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. That is simply not correct, according to CNN. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
91. See? Just a little bit of garlic, and you can actually get some peace around here... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
77. Your facts are absolutely wrong; Edwards beat him 8 to 5, and this is ONLY where they both competed |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. And the Clark numbers are inflated by him running ads for weeks in many of these states |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
105. Many Clarkies will dispute this |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
114. Thanks, POE, bookmarking. I've posted data |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Why do you think Clarkie's blame Edwards for his losing? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I was told it wasn't Shelton so what else could it be? Clark's loss seems the most likely reason |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I started out thinking Edwards was a great candidate in 04, |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Yes, it is just a big fluke. Look at the rates of other candidates' fans who dislike Edwards |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. What are you implying? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What does the word censure mean? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Waste of words |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Just minutes ago you said our opinions were equal. Now you are saying mine doesn't matter? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Deleted message |
draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. What makes your opinion of what is or is not worthy important? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
73. I don't get it myself seasonedblue... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Edwards' poll number were unchanged by Clark's entry into the race |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
72. This "virtually every Clarkie here dislikes Edwards" line... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Such as? Names? nt |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. I have neither the time nor the inclination to go hunting past posts down now.... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Sure |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Nancy has no room to talk. nt |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Don't expect Clark2008 to show a poll which favors Edwards' position |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I don't post polls, period, no matter what they say. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You implied JE's position is based on polls. What polls? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I meant that Edwards would ask which way the wind was blowing |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Which way is the wind blowing on this? Hint: against Edwards' position |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. If you think Iraq-war, NCLB, PATRIOT Act-supporting people |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. So three cherry-picked issues define an entire political philosophy? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Clark and CAPPS. Remember what you said about records and not "purdy rhetoric"? |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. Some more info on Clark and CAPPS... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. If all that is true his position sounds kosher nt |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. I wish General Norma Desmond would finally come down for his close up |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
106. Do you have a link to the alleged statement from Pelosi? |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
107. . |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. I would love to hear the current senators who are running also say this |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree. I am not sure but if he hasn't I bet Dodd will speak out soon, as will Biden |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Richardson too, albeit not a senator. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. Maybe he should pressure Republicans |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. We have a majority. The bottom line is we stand firm we win |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Yup. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Exactly. I agree with Edwards. Send the bill back over and over again until HE caves |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. I don't think you can do this without voting it out again |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #65 |
108. Great, then nothing happens. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. It requires a veto proof margin to support the timetable |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. That is false. If * has no choice but to accept a timetable he will have to do so |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Deleted message |
draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You're moving the goal post (DU mods, what are the rules again on calling someone a liar?) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You misquoted me, alerting on you again n/t |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Where did I misquote you? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I am discussing candidates n/t |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. You should be clear about that nt |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'm clear that I won't be misrepresented n/t |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Good. You shouldn't. What you said was in reply to a DUer who said what you called lying |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. She is calling the statement a lie - not you a liar |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
69. Not necessarily, if they have the political will |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Who's allegedly in charge of congress these days? |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Not the adults. nt |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. The ones trying to get the votes |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
118. They can't get the Blue Dogs to come around |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Principle one, of course, is to DO THE RIGHT THING. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
13. Agreed! |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. Edwards is WRONG: |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No funding? So how do the troops get home? nt |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. The two are completely unrelated |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Educate me. They need funding to redeploy, right? Can they leave overnight? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. No |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. Good points, it sounds very plausible nt |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
120. It isn't like the funding is the only money they have, they have |
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PuppyBismark (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
49. It is time for the Dems to Filibuster! |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
56. So is Edwards prepared to get us the 6 Republican votes for that? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Why do we need to overcome a filibuster? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
88. We only need 51 votes to do what Edwards is calling for nt |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
111. We could sure use some help from....Biden, Dodd, Hil and BO |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
119. It is simple, they simply don't fund. Then B*sh will have to appropriate |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
57. Edwards is unrealistic. We simply don't have a majority to do that. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. You don't need votes to do what he suggests |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Where were you in November of 2006? nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
59. Edwards talks big when he has no responsibility... |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. November 2005. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
109. Thanks. So he started boldly speaking out against the war when he no longer had to vote on it |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Let me edit - |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
70. Didnt Kucinich say there was enough money authorized to start withdrawal? |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
75. Thanks for posting this! |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. Thank you |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
101. Edwards is showing true leadership skills! |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. He showed his leadership skills in 2002, as well |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
115. Hey, John, how about this |
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TSIAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
116. Celebration |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
121. You can't submit a bill without passing it |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
122. Easy for Edwards to say, but what was his record when he was in the Senate on the IWR? |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
124. Sounds good to me. |
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