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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:05 PM Original message |
Thoughts from my mom about party and principles, |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hey, 30 years is a pretty good run. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Will it take a firestorm of shit |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Yes, let's vote our conscience? If ever there were a time to stand firm, it's now. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I agree. If not now, WHEN? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. The alternative is what, exactly? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yes. She simply started paying attention. n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. She's been politically active for 30 years, and she just now started paying attention? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Edwards ran in '04. His record was readily available at that time. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The problem is that Edwards 2004 is different from Edwards 2008 |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. You are trying to make her comments about John Edwards. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. No, I'm trying to understand how someone's opinion of John Edwards could change so drastically |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Since you're "trying to understand," I'll explain: |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I'm not saying she's wrong. It's her opinion, and she's entitled to it. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It's ok that we have a difference of opinion. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. To me, it's pretty simple, and I think it's the basis of our disagreement. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You are making my point. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It's not fear. It's common sense. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Again, this isn't about me. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Oh, please. Enough of the "fear tactic" garbage. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Again, you're not trying to convince me. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Oh, it's definitely about you. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. With all due respect, it's not up to you to decide |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. You're seeing a "significant voting block" where none exists. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Democrats won all those races in '06 |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I agree |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. This is what I'm trying to say here. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. They've lost my mom on the immigration issue. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It seems like |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I'd like to hear something more constructive, too. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You are describing this so well. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. "I feel that we're becoming more divided every day." |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I'll Jump In Somewhere... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I would NEVER tell my mom how to vote. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. And the Democrats have blown a golden chance |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. This is what is most frustrating. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Every single long-term Democratic voter I know (and I know A LOT of them) |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I'm also up for it. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. "At this point, I can live with any of those eventualities." |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. With respect, those lines from what we consider "centrist democrats" don't play with liberals |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Short, fiery, and succinct. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. That's hilarious. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Gee, I was a Nebraska democrat and now a Virginia democrat and I don't feel any different. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You really don't understand the difference? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I do know that, but when national democrats OPENLY kick liberals in the face |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't understand your reasoning. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. No, the Democratic Nominee will not get us out of Iraq unless it's Dennis Kucinich. nt |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Based on what? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Based on HISTORY! See the events in Congress that stopped the Vietnam War ... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. So, you think everyone but Dennis is lying? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. I think the fact that they're even CONSIDERING attacking Iran |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. No, I think everyone but DK can be unduly influenced by The Military Industrial Complex. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Look at it this way: |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. No difference? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
21. My Mom's Eighty Nine... In A Wheelcahair ...Has Stage Three Colon Cancer ... And Can Barely See |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I hope she gets the chance to do so. n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I Sure Hope So... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. For you and your mom: |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Your mom sounds like she has more brains and guts than most DUers |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Not dissimilar to "The Smattering of Beagles" calling those anti-war = anti-American? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
50. My Aunt, God Bless Her, Passed Away At Ninety Eight |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. My tiny little family of 4 voting age people |
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