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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:25 AM Original message |
Hillary plan allows the 47 million uninsured to buy into medicare, fed goverment employee's plan |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. ... |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. Totally absurd. |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. the plan |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It's a BS plan |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Thats the great thing about it, you don't have to buy it, it's for the poor. NT |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
53. And how do the poor afford to buy it? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Blaming insurance companies for the cost of health care is like blaming Katrina victims for storms. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Really? So insurance companies aren't profit driven |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:15 PM Original message |
Some are not for profit, and premiums are just as expensive. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
118. Wow. From your posts here on this thread |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Wrong again. However I did work for a large employer and went through the RFP process ... |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Good for you. We'll pat you on the back for being able to |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. They are not "driving up" health care costs. You're wrong. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #133 |
143. As a person with a major long term disability |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #143 |
153. You couldn't possibly be "far more familiar" than I am. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #153 |
170. You're the one who keeps insisting others are wrong |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #170 |
180. And you have provided what? |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. "childish insinuation?" |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #182 |
191. "Driving up costs" is being done by hospitals and doctors. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #191 |
218. You are wrong |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #218 |
223. You are right |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #218 |
232. Of course there are doctors giving their hearts and souls to their patients. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. Of course |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #143 |
203. Yup...I can second that. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #133 |
151. Um, the CEO of United Health (IRRC) took home 1.6 BILLION dollars |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. Stock options, not cash. But I am not saying some are not corrupt. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. Regardless of the particulars, health care executives taking huge payouts |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #185 |
197. One thing we seem to agree on, is that health insurance providers should not be dictating care. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #133 |
202. Well, I worked for a supposedly "non-profit" health insurance company |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. I agree they are driving the quality of healthcare down |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #204 |
219. And the way they do it is awful. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #133 |
213. I''ve seen the markup at hospitals first hand |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. It is an all-around clusterfuck |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
230. Huge overhead. Is that what you call William McGuire's |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. It seems corruption finds it way to all areas. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. Obscene? That is the sum of a lot of people's premiums that were |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
59. Did you see sicko? eom |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
90. Yes. eom |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
83. You get the prize for worse analogy of the day... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. But that's not what I said. You get the prize for worse misreading then flaming. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. They are the ones who thought it was a smart idea to use the stock market to make money... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Major Health Insurance providers such as Blue Cross , Aetna, raise premiums when costs go up |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
120. A single payer plan is the most practical way to control costs... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #120 |
129. I totally agree with you. |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #129 |
152. Doctors are generally neither rich, nor powerful |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #152 |
172. That's not true. The AMA is perhaps one of the most powerful organizations in the U.S. |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #172 |
189. I don't know where you get your information from |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #189 |
209. I would define rich by the culmination of one’s assets. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #209 |
226. The AMA sucks |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #172 |
205. By the way, I worked for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #205 |
211. Maybe not in Kansas. But many of the Blues are not for profit. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 04:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
241. So, when did you start thinking that insurance companies don't deny claims-- |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
82. Yay! Taxpayers subsidize fatcat bottom lines! |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. boilerplate BS as usual coming from you! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Deleted message |
Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Thats it? |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yeah your comment to me |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You've learned nothing about net etiquette... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. When you have nothing of substance to add, thats the perfect response. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Why wonder? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. Has anyone a link to the actual plan? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It will be officially released this morning in Iowa. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Exactly...the more they squawk, the more you see how much THEY DON'T KNOW! |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Not very effective, indeed. Sad, isn't it? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Hillary is releasing a Third of the plan at a time.. |
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sueh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
98. Here's the link... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. Thanks!! (n/t) |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
7. So far, Bold and Smart. Using existing plans to augment UHC.. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. BOLD? Kerry pushed this in 2003 and Hillary showed no interest then. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. So, you're saying IF Kerry had fought for us, we'd have a Heath Care Plan.. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. If the Dem PARTY had secured election process and Dems BACKED UP Kerry the way |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Except the mandate and tax credits, this isn't Kerry's plan |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
89. Which is why I said the best parts of Hill's plan were in Kerry's plan. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Oh, okay, I was thinking of the worst parts of her plan |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
77. "Individual mandate"==yeah, that's like solving homelessness by |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 04:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
242. Nothing mentioned at all about forcing them to stop denying claims |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
18. Yawn, no thank you. I'll take HR 676. n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Let us know when it gets passed...If we're all still alive by then.. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Let us know when sHillary gives up her corporatism. n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Let us know when your candidate takes this race seriously... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. HR 676 is a bill with 77 co-sponsors. Where is HIllary's bill? n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. So, whats the holdup? Why hasn't it passed? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Nice deflection. You didnt' answer the question. Where is HIllary's bill? n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You proposed the (so called) solution.. Whats the holdup on getting it passed? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. The honest question is HILLARY IS A SENATOR, if she thinks |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. You answered your own question.. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 04:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
243. The fucking insurance companies that support Clinton n/t |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
71. WOW, HR 676 sounds like a shoo-in! When will it pass? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. That will never happen. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. So where is HIllary's bill? n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Where is your candidate? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Nice try. Where is her bill? n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Wheres your candidate? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Who says I have a candidate at this time? I said I support an ACTUAL BILL HR 676? Nice try. n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Nice try. |
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sueh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
111. Where is her bill? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Standing beside her, I would assume. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. So far, this looks reasonable. The health care crisis in this country has no easy fix |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. From what I see so far.. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Yes, That is impressive. She has not disappointed me yet |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Just another insight into the divisive, destructive force paving the way for a Republican Prez...nm |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. H.R. 676 has a better chance of passing than Hillary becoming President (n/t) |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. She will be a fabulous president. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I second that in the face of all the detractors.. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Joe Scarborough just said that Hillary will be on his show tomorrow |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Good to know..can you post a reminder.. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'll post one in the am |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
68. Ya Thinkie |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
78. Let me know when the Dem party gets behind HR 676 100% |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. I would also propose that the president, vice president and all |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
38. Sorry, folks. I gotta go. I'm not paid to post on DU all day. n/t |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. We're not paid either... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. DK is in a undisclosed location. |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. I know you're an unpaid intern. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. That Wasn't Nice |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Either show your proof or be branded as someone who is untruthful. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
61. This should comfortably end any chance of a Clinton presidency. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Got to love your fantasy world! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Says the one in denial. (nt) |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Who's in denial? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Like I said, got to love your fantasy world! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Says the one in denial. (nt) |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Who's in denial? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. You. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. What issue am I not addressing? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. The problem with the mandate, the fact that her plan doesn't address the actual problem... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. When the whole plan ir released and I can see it in it's entirety |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. You don't need to see the whole plan to discuss the issue I raised. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Thats a synopsis. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. So the actual plan will not be anything like the synoposis? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. No yours is a interesting theory. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. Its pretty cowardly. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You just don't get it do you? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. I deal with reality. |
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sueh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. Here's the link from her website: |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. That is a synopsis. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. So, address the issue raised. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #116 |
131. See post #130. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. Address the issue raised (nt) |
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sueh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #109 |
136. But its from her own website. Wouldn't you think that would be |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Milo...how can you have an opinion when you haven't .. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. And he says I'm in denial? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Because you are scared to address the issue. (nt) |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I have yet been given a issue to discuss in it's entirety. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. All the facts you need are right here. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. See post #105. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #107 |
140. Address the issue raised (nt) |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. I am addressing the issue raised so far. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. single payer would be mandated |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. So, tell us about Obama's UN-universal Health Coverage.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. This is pre-released by the campaign |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. The difference is that it addresses the PROBLEM. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. mandate is mandate |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. Wrong... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. Politically - it doesn't matter |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #115 |
125. People tolerate it in other areas of life, why not health care as well? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. Riiight |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Why does it have to be equated that way? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Police, fire, roads |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. No one did that.(nt) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Yeah, they did |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. You misunderstand |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. What the hell are you talking about? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. YOU referred to police, fire, roads |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #149 |
159. You are confusing... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
164. Exactly, someone gets it! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #159 |
167. I'm not, the other poster is |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. Again, this is a GOP Talking point. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. There will be limits |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #177 |
183. They should be... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. When one pays for what they choose |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Its between doctor and patient. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #188 |
195. You already agreed caps would exist |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. No, I didn't. You made that statement. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. Maternity care is gaming the system? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Way to knock that strawman down. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. lol, that's the free market |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. Its the regulation Strawman |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. Why can't we afford it??? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #220 |
225. Yes, answer the question.(nt) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. see below n/t |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #149 |
161. Those were examples for crying out loud! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. They're bad examples |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. You forget your own post on this subject... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #171 |
178. I haven't forgotten anything |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #178 |
187. You're the one with the misunderstanding, not I... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Well I was actually talking about mandates |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #192 |
199. Its not the profit that's the problem... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #192 |
206. But it would matter |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. The services will still need processing |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. That's incorrect. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. Everybody bills, everybody gets paid |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #216 |
224. In general, yes. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #224 |
227. wow, |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Yes, no, Yes (nt) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. care to expand? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #231 |
234. The lack of support of Kicinich has NOTHING to do with this. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. You don't know the problem |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #237 |
240. Because it includes the same problem. (nt) |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #115 |
126. EXACTLY!!!! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. because that's what people want |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. But that system has failed |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #141 |
150. You started complaining about mandates |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. People die in the current system WITH insurance. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #155 |
163. Less people die with more coverage |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #163 |
176. No, MORE people die with the current system... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. I'm not advocating the current system |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #179 |
210. Sure you are. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #134 |
154. You are mistaking the Medical care system with a free market... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
112. Sure it does. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. See #115 |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. I already answered 115... It made my point PERFECTLY. (nt) |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:07 AM Response to Reply #119 |
244. Which is exactly why I want single payer |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
62. I really can't stand Hillary; But actually this is one of the best proposals I've seen |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
69. I Get So Frustrated By Insurance or Lack Of |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. I'm not as badly off as you, but these candidates have NO IDEA what it's |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
70. Isn't this what Bill Bradley proposed in 1999? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
84. SurPRISE surPRISE surPRISE! |
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sueh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
102. Herman, read about her plan from her website. Link below. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
103. I'm Coming In Late |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Its INDIVIDUAL mandates that are the problem... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
122. right now, govt mandates won't work |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
132. Define "Buy into"... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Seniors pay Medicare premiums |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #137 |
146. And that needs to change... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #146 |
158. Maybe you should read Dennis' plan |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #158 |
169. Even 6 or 7% is MUCH cheaper than the cheapest premiums from insurance companies... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. So, since #132, you've changed your mind |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. Not really... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. You don't think Dennis ran the numbers?? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #184 |
193. I'm sure he and Conyers did... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #193 |
196. that speaks for itself |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
144. I am SO surprised. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
147. I have Hillary's Plan here...pdf format |
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NancyG (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
166. Being self-employed, I'd welcome buying into Medicare. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #166 |
173. If you can afford it |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
168. Jeez, knock me over with a feather! |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
190. I feel so stupid. It sounds like a viable plan to me. But I am sure somebody is going |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #190 |
198. the mandate is a killer |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #198 |
222. Tax credits are nearly worthless to the working poor |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #190 |
239. It doesn't deal with the true issue which is rampant inefficiency and rising cost. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
194. Wow, a plan that might actually have a chance of being implemented. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Exactly. It is reasonable and can work. It is better to start |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
238. She is layering chocolate frosting on top of a rotten cake. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
245. Oh, and she gives tax money to the health insurance industry, |
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