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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:04 PM
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New GOP big lie alert
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 09:05 PM by LuckyTheDog
All day, I have heard and read people describe the "taser incident" at the Kerry speech in a totally misleading way. The spin is that"goons" working for Kerry attacked that kid on Kerry's orders.

Here is an example: http://www.mlive.com/forums/newstalk/index.ssf?artid=2864630 (that same guy posted that lie all day, often referring to the event as a "DNC rally.")

And another example: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/240819.php

This is, or course, crap. But this is what they do. They use blogs and message boards to develop a narrative. We then are put in the defensive position of having to react to and disprove the narrative after the fact.

Let's nip this one in the bud, folks. Whether or not you think Kerry handled the situation, we all know that Kerry never ordered those cops to do anything.




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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:09 PM
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1. You got it!
The way this has been distorted is par for the course for them. Grasping at straws is the way I see it.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:11 PM
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2. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:13 PM
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3. The student resisted arrest. Very ...very...simple
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:14 PM
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4. What was he arrested for?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I just haven't been following this story.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:20 PM
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6. He was being a blowhard
But, sheesh. He is a COLLEGE STUDENT. If you can't be a blowhard who stands up and makes a scene when you are in college, when CAN you do it? The kid did nothing that he should have been arrested for.

But that really is unconnected to the point I am trying to make here.

I am concerned about the spin as it relates to Kerry and the Democrats. The right will continue to refer to that incident as "the day Kerry had a kid tasered for asking the wrong questions." Thst is, they will do that if we let them get that false narrative going.

We need to nip this in the bud.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:22 PM
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7. From what I've heard, Kerry was trying to answer his question too!
So I don't think Kerry considered him to be out of line.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:23 PM
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10. As you can see there is a first hand account about this guy's behavior
He got tased because he resisted arrest.

My son just told me the charge was something about inciting a riot

I have read several accounts and watched some video

The guy is a loud mouth disruptor looking for attention

My son pointed out to me that it is not illegal to be an asshole. Point taken

Stay tuned
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:46 AM
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11. Right
In the U.S., you have a Constitutional right to be an asshole.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:53 AM
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12. You don't have the right to cut to the front of the line, though
Which is what I think the problem was.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:21 AM
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14. Hence the Republican PArty...
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:15 PM
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5. And Kerry did NOT order him to be ejected
In fact, Kerry tried to answer his questions.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:30 PM
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8. It was absurd to "arrest" him
Which is where the "resisting" portion sprang from. I won't defend this guy outright, but he was handled quite poorly by the police. I am really disturbed by the trend over the last several years for police to act ever more as bullies, and more still by Democrats who defend their behavior.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:40 PM
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9. here's a firsthand account - up on FACEBOOK


Ted Donaldson (Rollins) wrote
5 hours ago
"If you want to hear it from someone that was there:

The disturbance did not begin with Andrew asking the question. He caused quite a scene by bursting into the room in the middle of Q+A, rudely interrupting Kerry answering another question (what was supposed to be the last one), and demanding to be heard. The cops followed him in (I have the feeling he had been giving them a hard time outside as well)

John Kerry responded by asking him to calm down and wait his turn, that his question would be answered next.

As some of the videos show, his question was long and rambling without much focus, less of a question if you will than an outburst. John Kerry remained calm, tried to guide him to the direct question he would like answered, but Andrew continued. After Accent cut his mike off, the cops tried to guide him out and as you can all see the real event began.

I was sitting in the back row of the auditorium- less than 5 feet from where he was restrained and ended up being tasered. (you can see my green shirt next to my friend in the striped shirt on most of the videos) He WAS NOT handcuffed yet when they did it. He was still attempting to get up and resist the police officers and would not put his hands behind his back.

Within close range, I have to say that I didn't feel it was the safest situation. I did not feel like they had him under control at all- and was scared that if he did manage to get up- he would have started getting riled up again. I personally was in a location that if he had started flailing around again- I would have been at risk.

Now- my opinion- I think Andrew had intentions to be disruptive and was not going to leave peacefully. I am by no means a proponent of violence, but the way the UPD handled this situation was completely appropriate."

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Post #2Erin Decker (UF) wrote
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Thank you for posting that. I was also at the forum and completely agree with that account of the incident. I also felt unsafe because Mr. Meyer was being excessively aggressive and violent. I am thankful that UPD was finally able to control the situation and think they acted properly.Reply to Erin
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Post #3Chris Agard (FIU) replied to Ted's post
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I'd like to also thank you. I wasn't as close to him, but agree that his actions were meant to disrupt, and make a scene. He deserved what he got and UPD did what they had to, and had they not handled it as professionally as they did, they wouldn't be doing ther jobs. Being that it was Sen. Kerry the police also had to act accordingly.


http://uwm.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4943984636
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:55 AM
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15. Thanks for posting that.
Explains a lot.



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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:16 AM
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16. Thanks - that makes sense.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:17 AM
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13. IMO the kid was way out of line and deserved what he got. A "look at me" situation...eom
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