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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:03 AM Original message |
Why is it assumed to be SOOO difficult to get universal coverage, let alone single-payer? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because the people who buy our candidates do so |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Special Interest groups called |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Because corporations, big pharm, and private insurers don't want it. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. So? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
79. Hillary said on GMA that when her team asked people about their own private health care plan |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. She's spreading puke talking points. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. First, I agree about single payer. I'm for it. The congressional plan |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. It will be medicare for all. Medicare is well-established. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. I agree. Medicare is now a respected "brand name" with voters. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I don't see that any of that will be a problem... |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
109. Forcing everybody to switch to medicare for all is what single-payer is. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. No, it isn't. n/t |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Yes, it is. Put the two words together "single" "payer" |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. One disagreement -- Many Corporations DO want it |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. There's a sci-fi story in there -- |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. "The popular will is there." Are you sure? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
82. Yes...The disagreements are over specifics |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Yeah... after I responded to you, someone posted a rasmussen poll |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. My take on the problem |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That 60 vote bullshit is getting to me |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. It is NOT an idiotic rule. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I don't think filibustering is bad |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Abolish the virtual filibuster. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I agree |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Gentleman's agreements only work |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. We've got other things to do. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. What difference does public support make? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. And Republicans are going to pay a price for Iraq. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. And when it is explained that while their taxes are going up by |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I don't have that much faith in people. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. How can we ramp it up when the most visible democrats cower |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Who's cowering? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It won't come from the people |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. You've got the system wrong. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Well since Reagan and Clinton I fucked up the media... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yes, they did fuck up the media, and in turn, our country. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Hey... check this out please? New poll on health care... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I've got to think that's a higher percentage than it was back in 1994. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Looks like a clear majority to me. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Clear majority?! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Since repukes will never be on our side on this, |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Well, some of them are going to have to be on our side. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Why? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. What does that have to do with anything? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I'm sorry if I seem stupid... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. You're treating it as if the conditions are identical. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. You're acting as if I expect this to be done with this congress |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Kucinich is the ONLY one who is proposing |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. That's how I see it as well. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
98. I also believe that |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
88. People understand their OWN situation first, tho. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Campaign contributions |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. because they said so. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. "why can't we do that with something positive?" |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. I don't this it "has" to be, but there will be a fight |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
18. Because we can't even get SCHIP expansion? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Doesn't matter if he voted against it, it passed. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No worry about a veto? Did Bush back off his threat? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I meant no worry about a veto on the insurance bill... if Kucinch was to win. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. "If Kucinich was to win" - that would be 2009. SCHIP expires this month. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I'm talking about single-payer care. Not SCHIP. n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Nobody thinks it will be passed or signed before Jan, 2009 |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. SCHIP?!? It damned sure BETTER be re-authorized this year. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
104. I'm all for SCHIP |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Link to discussion of veto threat on SCHIP: |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
28. HUGE insurance lobby nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. So... dems on the take... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Because you have yet to show us where they can avoid that. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. No one? How about every civilized country besides us? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Those countries don't have a Supreme Court with lengthy precedents... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And the people are supposed to what... storm the SCOTUS? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No, the people need to lead. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. That's it -- I don't think this is only about campaign contributions |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. 'Cause that's nearly the only kind we've got? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. It's the money, honey |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Well it seems like it won't be ended... |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
43. The biggest thing with single-payer... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
45. Not the people, but the Congressmen and Senators |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
50. Assumed by who? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. People on this board do it... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. Here's the difficulty... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
53. Seriously... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. "Socialized Medicine" |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. It is so NOT "socialized medicine." |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Well. They are doing it right now on the Senate floor. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I don't think I can watch any longer. Coburn almost made me |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Not enough people think it's true. There's just no excuse for this. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
63. There is an argument out there that states, "you won't be allowed |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
65. OK, let's take a count. How many people have written a LTTE to their local paper about HR 676? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
97. Yep, got printed... (n/t) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Great! I'm submitting another. Hope it gets published! n/t |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
69. Because the U.S. isn't a Democracy it is a Corporate Representative Republic (n/t) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. I would like to know how many bills get 83 co-sponsors. That's how many HR 676 has in the House. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
71. Because there are people like Coburn in the US senate. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
75. The Senate Dems are already refusing to support it. There is not a companion Senate bill for HR 676 |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. The reason we can't have it is Dems in congress won't do it? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Well,how do you expect to get it, if no one introduces a bill? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I expect a senator to introduce a damn bill. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Well,I expect a lot of things from the Dem representatives, but we aren't getting them.. n.t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. The last time we got semi-socialized medicine was in 1965 with the creation of |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Yes we do have that scenario today! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Please god, I hope you are right! There is nothing I would like better! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
108. Oh, oh, I know, I know!....... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. OK, how many of the presidential candidates have said healthcare is a human right? |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
92. Because people don't demand it |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. People are not educated on the subject, Dennis said he would |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
94. K&R Health Care....What's Lacking Is Political Leadership! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
99. Because the government would have to earmark real money to pay actual expenses |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Already do it with Medicare... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Universal/single-payer would make MORE money necessary |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
103. 2 more R's needed if it's not too late n/t |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Think its too late for an R, but here's a K |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-28-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Thanks :) n/t |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
114. Medical inflation is a very serious problem now, could get worse |
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