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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 05:49 PM
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Sharpton is out there with "Jena 6" where is OBAMA?

Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 06:31 PM by KoKo01

He said a little last night...but I understand he was born in Hawaii and is a NEW BLACK DEM...but...is he "THE WAY" or is his lack of standing up for African-Americans Rights and abuse by Cops and Judges and Prison System of American ...showing he's a Uniter who is objective? Or, is it that he doesn't identify with the Civil Rights Movement that allowed him to achieve where he is now?

Should Dems even bother with this anymore? With so many New Americans who don't have any identification with African-American Struggles to get the vote and to not end up on "back of the bus" and drink from separate water fountains or live in an America where Restrooms, Hotels/Motels and so Much of America was SEGREGATED into putting down Blacks. OBAMA does represent a way for America to get out of the "bogged down problems of Civil Rights", though....whereas OBAMA clearly can view all this with a fresh mind not being part of any of it. Maybe this is what we need? A NEW DIALOG?

In our News Media we see so many STAR ANCHORS of all ETHNIC HERITAGE...why should we worry that "Jena 6" and disenfranchisement of African-Americans here is even an issue anymore. UNLESS FOLKS who are Opposed to Disenfranchising any American Citizen's RIGHTS find that ALL OF US ARE IN JEOPARDY! We are a GLOBAL ECONOMY. America has ALWAYS Embraced those seeking Sanctuary or those our Universities felt were worth of training to promote Global Knowledge. America has been a beacon for this.

Is there a WAY to get past the RW REPUGS AND FASCIST BUSHIES...and GET THESE ISSUES ON THE TABLE?

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book_worm

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Thu Sep-27-07 05:51 PM
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1. Where is Hillary? Where is Richardson? Where is Biden? Where is Dodd?...

you get my point. Why should it be Obama who should be there? because he's black?

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ericgtr

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Thu Sep-27-07 05:56 PM
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3. Thank you

for echoing what I was about to ask.

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liberalnurse

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:16 PM
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9. Why?

It would be a terrible thing for the Presidential Candidates to get involved. It would be misinterpreted as Exploitation!

Another thought.....

The incident has nothing to do with a President by the way. It's an issue for the community.....If it did, then we need to be at the White House demanding George *bush intervene immediately since he IS The President for the next 18 months...

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book_worm

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Thu Sep-27-07 11:31 PM
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40. the question is why is the OP only singling out Obama? why not all of them?

I happen to agree that the candidates shouldn't get involved and politicize it.

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beaconess

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Thu Sep-27-07 10:56 PM
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39. And if he WERE there, people would criticize him for "playing the race card"

Jeez.

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Connie_Corleone

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Thu Sep-27-07 05:53 PM
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2. He's in the senate voting on crime bills and SCHIP.

Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 06:00 PM by Connie_Corleone

He's not the Black Superman. Sharpton and Jackson are doing just fine being activists. That's their role. Obama is doing his senatorial business and running for president.

Just because he's black, he's gotta run all over the country whenever a civil rights case happens?

And how can you say he has a lack of standing up for African-American issues when he started out as a community organizer?

What are you talking about? We should just forget about civil rights for minorities because there are a few ethnic minorities on TV news now?

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Clintonista2

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:01 PM
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6. He's in the senate voting?

That's odd, that doesn't sound much like him!

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Ethelk2044

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:20 PM
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25. before running for President he had a better record than Hillary. He can not help

he is in more demand the Hillary

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Silence Dogood

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:58 PM
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37. Obama is in NYC for a fundraising event.

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Cameron27

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:04 PM
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7. exactly

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FrenchieCat

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Thu Sep-27-07 05:59 PM
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4. Obama is no Al Sharpton...........

And so, just cause the cameras are focusing on the Jena 6, doesn't mean that Obama will be pushing his way towards the camera.

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Ethelk2044

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:19 PM
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24. Amen. He made a statement to the press. That was enough

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bigdarryl

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:01 PM
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5. because he's black that means he has to be there

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liberalnurse

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:17 PM
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10. My thought exactly!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Ethelk2044

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:36 PM
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13. No it does not mean he has to be there. People are trying to push this issue to try to get the

African American vote.

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NOLALady

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:07 PM
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16. My. My.

I thought they were trying to push this issue to see justice. My bad.

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FlaxieB

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:07 PM
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8. Hello? Why isn't a white Prez candidate in Jena? Didn't they see the injustice too??

Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 06:09 PM by FlaxieB

or are they afraid the 'white" political base will get upset? A better question: Why didn't you go to Jena? Too many black people for you? Too much pepper and not enough salt?:scared:

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hedgehog

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:23 PM
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11. check here

http://ustream.tv/channel/barack-obama-rally-in-nyc

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Ethelk2044

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:35 PM
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12. Your post is Bull Shit. and this comes from an African American woman and Mother.

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:12 PM
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18. Why do you think this?

What bothered you about the post? :shrug:

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Ethelk2044

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:18 PM
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23. because of the way you phrase your statements

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:20 PM
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26. What do you take issue with in the way I phrased my statements?

:shrug:

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L0oniX

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:50 PM
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14. It's a shame that no candidates are addressing this nation wide problem of ...

unequal distribution of the laws. Hang nooses on a tree is a hate crime! I am caucasian and I hate red neck ass carrots.

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JI7

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Thu Sep-27-07 06:56 PM
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15. "NEW BLACK DEM"

what the fuck ???????

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:03 PM
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31. What's wrong with that...he's international....and that makes him

different from Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who are the other black males who have run for President in the past.

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:10 PM
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17. I Think You Stepped In It

eom

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:13 PM
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19. What did I "step into" and what is it...and why do you say that?

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AtomicKitten

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:14 PM
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20. Where's Billy Dee when ya need him?

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Honeycombe8

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:15 PM
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21. Obama is not running to be President of African American affairs. He is running...

to be President of the entire country.

He can't go protesting this event and that event in the various states. That's not what presidential candidates do (or have time for).

He made an official statement, like he did during the Imus event. He was the first candidate who did, he said.

If Obama wants to take up the issues of one race in the country, he may find himself being the candidate for just that race and no other. Our President needs to stand up for what is right, generally.

The Jena event is, in the end, a state matter, and is being addressed by Af. American leaders, the NAACP, and others.

Also, Obama needs to stay away from Sharpton, if he wants to be the nominee. No one wants someone in the Oval Office with Al Sharpton standing behind him dictating policy.

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:09 PM
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32. Good points you make there. A president should be for All the people and not

Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 09:10 PM by KoKo01

just for special interests. I understand what you say. But, shouldn't issues that affect average Americans in the issues of race and crime and acts by one group against another also be on the table as a focus? What you are saying is that Obama's skin color shouldn't force him to have to go to Louisiana to defend Jenna 6 or to take special interest in New Orleans. It's the job of ALL our Candidates to be down there showing support for Jenna 6 and New Orleans.

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Honeycombe8

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Sat Sep-29-07 03:08 PM
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41. Not really my point. My point is....let the system take care of it.

From what I am reading and seeing on the news, the court system is addressing the matter.

Presidents do not generally take up individual causes. Remember what happened when Congress put itself in the middle of the Terri Schiavo case?

Making a statement and taking a stand is sufficient. Being silent is not sufficient. But no one in office at a federal level has the time to take on individual protests, much less a President. There are millions of individuals in our country. "It takes a village."

I don't want a President who leaves his post and goes to North Carolina or wherever to "personally" take on one matter involving someone. That's not what I'm hiring a President to do. There are OTHERS who do that. But the President should voice, strongly, an opinion on such matters. And Obama did.

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Kelly Rupert

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:16 PM
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22. Because he has black skin, he has to get himself tangled up

every time someone throws down a race card? Why should he be held to a different standard because of the color of his skin?

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:22 PM
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27. That's the question I posed... Can Obama move on from American Civil Rights Movement Credentials...

because he's way generation REMOVED from it. He's his own man ...not tied to American South Politics. He's not part of ANYTHING that went on HERE ...years ago.

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Kelly Rupert

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:24 PM
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28. If that's what you call the way he's handled this,

yeah, sure. What he's doing is better for a presidential candidate than what Sharpton does.

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:29 PM
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29. What I'm asking then is ....Why is Obama better on this than Sharpton?

Is it because Obama is New with no loyalties or affiliations with American South/Civil Rights Struggles and Sharpton seems like he's Old and Out of the Way...because he marched with MLK and WAS INVOLVED?

Is Obama a good new candidate because he doesn't have what some would call: "Baggage from the 20th Century when the Civil Rights Movement was Strong and many Politicians and leaders still around today, like Sharpton, are still around calling the shots on who represents African-Americans?

Is Obama the Breakthrough Candidate just BECAUSE...he doesn't have Sharpton/Jackson Baggage of those "old times?" :shrug:

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Kelly Rupert

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Thu Sep-27-07 07:44 PM
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30. No, it has nothing to do with the past.

It has to do with the fact that Obama made an extremely-appropriate media statement then went back to issues more important than six kids who beat up a racist white kid.

Sharpton drops everything for any issue in which an African-American may have been a victim of racism. That's a good trait for an activist, but not so much for a president.

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:20 PM
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33. I think alot of folks are sick of the 20th Century and want to move on...

from the politics of that era and all the angst. Folks are looking for new ways to deal with racial, womens and SS Entitlement issues which many feel have held us back ...bogging us down in rhetoric where it's hard to reach a consensus.

Obama being able to observe the situation without becoming personally involved, (where he could get bogged down with media hounding him, following hima and folks making "HIM" the issue and not the Jenna 6, would be a turning point in a way of "New Politics" that might be a healing for the future of the political atmosphere in our country. Objectivity has alot to offer when one has to make decisions that might affect the whole country.

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killbotfactory

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:21 PM
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34. Yeah, he's acting too white

:eyes:

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/09/10/obama_demands_fairness_in_jena.php

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zulchzulu

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:25 PM
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35. Barack Obama has made several statements on Jena 6

Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 09:27 PM by zulchzulu

Obama has made several statements about the Jena 6 case. Google is your friend. He was the FIRST presidential nominee to talk about the issue.

Obama Statement on Jena 6 Rally
Chicago, IL | September 20, 2007

Chicago, IL -- U.S. Senator Barack Obama released the following statement today on the Jena 6 rally.

"Today I stand with those who stand for justice in Jena. The thousands of Americans from every race and region who have descended on this small Louisiana town carry forth the legacy of all those who sat at lunch counters and took freedom rides to strike a blow against injustice wherever it may exist. When a noose hangs from a schoolyard tree in the 21st century and young men are treated in a way that is not equal nor just, it is not just an offense to the people of Jena or to the African-American community, it is an offense to the ideals we hold as Americans. I renew my call for the District Attorney to drop the excessive charges filed in this case, and I will continue my decades-long fight against injustice and division as President."

September 13, 2007, Chicago, IL

Senator Barack Obama made the following statement today in response to the Jena 6 case:

"When nooses are being hung in high schools in the 21st century, it's a tragedy. It shows that we still have a lot of work to do as a nation to heal our racial tensions. This isn't just Jena's problem; it's America's problem."

"There are a number of signs that the system is not working in this case. It's a problem when criminal charges are brought against some students for fighting, but not others. It's a problem when a public defender doesn't call any witnesses. And it's a problem when a prosecutor decides to try teenagers as adults for a school fight, a charge that could leave them in jail for the majority of their lives. That is why I join my colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus in calling on the judge to consider all the relevant factors and calling on the District Attorney to drop the excessive charges brought in this case. And I, along with other members of the CBC, will continue to monitor this case closely."

"Going forward, we have to fix our criminal justice system. Whether it's Jena 6 or Genarlow Wilson, it's long past time for us to admit that we have more work to do to ensure that our criminal justice system is fair. We must ensure that both victims and defendants can receive equal justice under the law, regardless of race, wealth, or other circumstances."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/09/20/obama_statement_on_jena_6_rall.php

On your post, I'd think you'd apologize for dissing Obama because you were too lazy to check things out before ranting like a dumbass.

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KoKo

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Thu Sep-27-07 09:50 PM
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36. Thanks for the links....you know lots of us ask questions because

it's in the media. We have friends who ask questions who might not bother go to Obama's website to look up links about what he says on different issues because they'd rather go with whatever MSNBC/FOX or whatever RW Radio station they listen to is talking about and take them as the authority.

If you want to call fellow DU'ers 'dumb asses' then that's up to you...but sounds like your mind is pretty lazy if that's how you talk to people on an everyday basis.

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zulchzulu

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Thu Sep-27-07 10:01 PM
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38. I was pissed at your rant...sorry...

I did a Google with the difficult word combination of "obama jena statement" and came up with the results.

Do some homework before you say shit like "I know he's from Hawaii" and shit... that's being a dumbass. Sorry...

:crazy:

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