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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:22 PM
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Bill Maher: "Hillary mentions drugs 14 times in her healthcare plan --
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 01:28 PM by AtomicKitten
but diet and exercise only once."

Maher really slammed Hillary on her healthcare plan last night saying in effect it was tantamount to a valentine to the pharmaceutical companies and fails to promote preventive care.

Maher: "Ask your doctor what getting off your ass will do for you."
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:24 PM
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1. Harvesting the consumers need for health care. Bastards.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:25 PM
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2. Yeah, who the heck really uses prescriptions and stuff. nt.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:06 PM
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27. Folks that are hypnotized by their docs,
or have no intention of doing their own research about what ails them.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:26 PM
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3. Well, I am not sure Maher is any expert on the subject.
There are times when we should all feel free to question Maher as a policy wonk.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:28 PM
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4. I've got no argument with Maher on the importance of diet and exercise.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:30 PM
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5. I agree--but there are also times when medicine is needed,
unless we are going back to bloodletting.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:38 PM
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10. Certain diseases can be controlled and even eliminated --
with diet and exercise - such as diabetes. It's really remarkable what I see in my line of work.

Maher's point is that repercussions of a crappy diet and no exercise are often what precipitate disease.

I have no argument with the fact that disease has a myriad of etiologies.

But if we can claim better health by taking care of ourselves, certainly that natural treatment is far better than any kind of pharmacological intervention.

That's what he was saying. I agree.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:43 PM
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18. And how do you legislate people taking better care of themselves?
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 02:45 PM by goodgd_yall
The Democratic candidates healthcare plans are meant to do what government CAN do---control costs of medical care and medication.

I'm not saying you disagree with this, but Maher's attack on Clinton is, I think, ridiculous.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:14 PM
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19. You don't legislate it and that wasn't Maher's point.
Maher's point was that Hillary's healthcare plan incorporates the same old view of medicine and insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and very little focus on preventive healthcare.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:58 PM
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25. Seems you answered with a contradiction there.
Can you expand on what kind of changes in legislative terms that Hillary might make to her plan to address your concerns?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:06 PM
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28. That's because I'm being asked to extrapolate and I shouldn't.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 05:31 PM by AtomicKitten
His point was that she is cozy with the pharmaceutic companies, and he was disappointed but not surprised to see her mention diet and exercise as preventive care only once and mentioned drugs 14 times in her healthcare plan.

He didn't mention legislation; he was talking about the fact that America is being programmed to pop a pill rather than get off their fat asses and moving.

That's his point.

No offense, but these circuitous Q&As should probably be addressed to Bill Maher directly; I can only relay what he said and don't feel comfortable being asked to extrapolate it into more than he actually said. You can catch a re-run of his show any time this week.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:07 PM
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29. Exactly!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:30 PM
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6. It's just not a cureall and won't trump genetics
that predispose us to developing certain illnesses.

After all, running guru Jim Fixx dropped dead in the middle of a run.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:32 PM
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7. So he thinks the government
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 01:33 PM by Jim4Wes
should be more concerned with that then providing for actual medical services? Do we not have enough diet and excercise products slamming, thats right slamming us in the face every day in every newspaper, tv channel, and magazine?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:44 PM
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13. I guess not because
we're the fattest country in the world. Although you don't need to many supplies to go running every day.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:50 PM
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15. Well the way I see it
the government should be concerned with making sure the medical services don't collapse, if that includes pushing diet and exercise in some other way than getting people sound medical advice via doctor visits, like getting a Surgeon General to lead some effort, or funding some other program to do it then I am ok with that. His criticism is not unfounded, but I don't take it too seriously either as a problem with one candidates views.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:49 PM
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14. He's not.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:05 PM
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26. This is true, but that doesn't mean that this isnt' a valid point
I don't always agree with Maher, but he's very good at making valid points, and this point is valid. I think preventive care should be a very important part of whatever health care changes are made.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:33 PM
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8. That was great. Kudos to Bill even if he had to sneak
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 01:34 PM by Cleita
in another sexist joke into the program later on.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:34 PM
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9. The pharmaceutical companies have
spent their money wisely.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:43 PM
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12. word --
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM by AtomicKitten
And that really bothers me. I am making the transition from expensive drugs for chronic conditions to "alternative," more natural medication. Successfully. I am particularly pissed off at the drug companies for a constellation of nasty side-effects I endured with their products and the fact that they are so outrageously expensive if you don't have insurance.

There are some things about Hillary that are really starting to piss me off. I will refrain from adjectives, but dayum, this is bullshit.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:42 PM
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11. We're the most drugged up nation in the world
and our life expectancy ranking keeps falling relative to other countries. Maybe we should ask them what they are doing, as if we don't know.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:39 PM
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22. All you have to do is have the tube
on to see evidence of this..with side effects said very rapidly at the very end after they've lulled you to sleep with a "butterfly".

I'm glad bill marher pointed this out about hillary and her pharmecuetical bestest of buddies.

The pharmecuetical companies hate my field which is healing the body natually. I know sometimes drugs can save your life but I'm not talking about that..I'm talking about real food and exercise.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:03 PM
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16. Isn't the point of the healthcare plan to lower costs?
Diet and exercise don't put much of a dent in anybody's budget.

:silly:
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:39 PM
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17. Then Maher should vote for Huckabee
He's the only candidate touting preventive care.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:19 PM
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20. My in laws were in town last month
I never watch network nightly news but it is there staple. While watching I was shocked, there were eight consecutive pharmaceutical commercials. Although the side effect disclaimers were entertaining.
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RedG1 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:39 PM
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21. Bill Maher's health care plan...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:47 PM
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23. nothing wrong with medical marijuana
His point was preventive care, diet and exercise as an important adjunct to medical care, something pharmaceutical companies would prefer just remain the same.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:56 PM
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24. She fully supports drug company lobbyists.
Her administration: Business as usual politics. Lobbyists will dictate her decisions and policy making. She has slept in bed with them all these years. They are just going to change the sheets.:thumbsdown:
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