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jefferson_dem

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:17 PM
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Hillary Joining Webb For Measure Opposing War With Iran

Hillary Joining Webb For Measure Opposing War With Iran
By Eric Kleefeld - October 1, 2007, 5:08PM

Hillary Clinton took a lot of heat from liberals last week over her vote for the non-binding Kyl-Lieberman Amendment, which declared Iran's military to be a terrorist organization. Now she seems to be working to make up that gap by working with Jim Webb on a binding measure to stop a war against Iran.

Taylor Marsh reports that Hillary will be joining Webb as a co-sponsor of his amendment, first introduced in March, which would require Congressional authorization before the president could launch a large-scale operation against Iran.

So will this amendment pass against a likely Republican filibuster? And either way, will Hillary's signing on as a co-sponsor help to assuage liberal doubts about her positions on the Middle East?

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/hillary_joining_webb_for_measure_opposing_war_with_iran.php

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saracat

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:20 PM
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1. Not mine.

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yourout

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:20 PM
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2. Flip-Flop

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SaveElmer

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:28 PM
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8. Wrong...

Point to where she had previously advocated war with Iran

She has "flip-flopped" from the left wing caricature of her vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment...

No flip-flop in reality

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yourout

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:30 PM
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10. Reality is not the problem......appearance is.

Ask John Kerry.

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Clintonista2

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:15 PM
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25. The kyl-lieberman amendment had a provision regarding military action with Iran

Until Hillary & co. had it removed. She doesn't want war with Iran, but please don't let the facts stand in your way.

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Evergreen Emerald

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Tue Oct-02-07 08:20 AM
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43. appearance does not have to be the end all--if people would stop

saying "flip-flop" without anything to back it up. Appearance?

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hatrack

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:21 PM
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3. So she can say she voted against military action against Iran after she voted for it?

Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 05:21 PM by hatrack

WTF?

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Zandor

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:21 PM
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32. Did she vote for it?

No? Oh...

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uppityperson

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:54 PM
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35. Yes, see. Oh....

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

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Zandor

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Tue Oct-02-07 06:51 AM
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39. Is that a vote for military action against Iran?

No? Oh...

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uppityperson

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Tue Oct-02-07 10:38 AM
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49. Iraq, true. However Lieberman/Kyl may be used the same for Iran

Spirit of the bill and all. I am thawing strawberries that I picked at a local u-pick place, planning on strawberry pie tonight. MrUP would like strawberry rhubarb but the rhubarb is done for the year.

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Zandor

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Tue Oct-02-07 10:50 AM
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52. Strawberry rhubarb is awesome

Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 10:56 AM by Zandor

Apple is okay, but overrated.

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uppityperson

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Tue Oct-02-07 11:07 AM
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53. personally I don't like to mix my fruits, find plain and simple appealing.

apple pie is American though.

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ChenZhen

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:21 PM
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4. Doesn't the president need that authority?

or however the hell she phrases it...

Good to see Webb consistenly acting on this.

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Adelante

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:22 PM
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5. Here is the announcement

SENATOR CLINTON ANNOUNCES CO-SPONSORSHIP OF WEBB LEGISLATION PROHIBITING THE USE OF FUNDS FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN IRAN

Reiterates that President Bush Needs Congressional Authorization Before Attacking Iran

Washington, DC - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today announced that she is co-sponsoring legislation introduced by Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) that prohibits the use of funds for military operations against Iran without explicit Congressional authorization (S. 759).

Senator Clinton - who has been at the forefront of calling on President Bush to seek authorization from Congress before taking military action against Iran (Speech on the Senate Floor from February) - said today, "In February, I took to the Senate floor to warn that President Bush needs Congressional Authorization before attacking Iran. Given recent reports about Administration military planning toward Iran and to ensure that Congress plays a proper role in the authorization of any potential military force, today I have added myself as a co-sponsor of a bill introduced by Senator Jim Webb which prohibits the use of funds for military action in Iran without authorization by Congress."

Senator Clinton added, "Iran has gained expanded influence in Iraq and the region as a result of the Bush Administration's polices which have also rejected diplomacy as a tool for addressing Iranian ambitions. I continue to support and advocate for a policy of entering into talks with Iran, because robust diplomacy is a prerequisite to achieving our aims. I also support strong economic sanctions against Iran, including designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization, to improve our leverage with the Iranian regime". "Any military action against Iran will have an immediate impact on our troops serving in Iraq, our allies in the region as well as long term U.S. strategic interests. Senator Webb's legislation insures that Congress will play its constitutional role of providing proper oversight over the Administration's policy toward Iran. Congressional oversight and debate can help avoid the mistakes and blunders that have afflicted U.S. policy in Iraq. We cannot allow recent history to repeat itself."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26318

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Zandor

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:17 PM
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31. Hillary bashers are never satisfied

But this is a good move by her.

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Moochy

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Tue Oct-02-07 10:42 AM
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51. Hilary's Empty Sock Drawer Approves!

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bigdarryl

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:26 PM
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6. This woman will say and do anything TOTAL FLIP FLOP!!!!

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Silence Dogood

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Tue Oct-02-07 06:55 AM
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40. How will my candidate Obama vote?

I hope he's supporting this important bill.

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Kelly Rupert

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Tue Oct-02-07 08:18 AM
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42. Will your candidate Obama vote?

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Evergreen Emerald

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Tue Oct-02-07 08:21 AM
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44. Ladies and gentleman: I introduce another right-wing talking point

She did not flip-flop. Look at the history.

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rinsd

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:26 PM
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7. Thanks for posting jeff-dem.

:hi:

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jefferson_dem

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:51 PM
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21. Hey, no probs, rinsd...

:hi:

Yanks are in, eh. Shitty to be a Mets fan today, though.

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rinsd

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:09 PM
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23. Very rough day to be a Mets fan.

I'm off to the bar to console one right now.

He swore 2 weeks ago to stop shaving until the Mets clinch.

We have taken to calling him Grizzly Adams ;-)

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HeraldSquare212

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:29 PM
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9. self-delete

Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 05:31 PM by heraldsqure

info provided

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AtomicKitten

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:33 PM
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11. I'm not impressed.

In fact, any of those that put their name to the IWR that started this mess of Democratic complicity are IMO and should IMO be deemed unacceptable. The Kyl-Lieberman amendment "yes" vote was the irretrievable deal-breaker for me. And the piece de resistance is BushCo arguing that the IWR gives them the thumbs-up to invade whomever they choose.

Feh.

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flyarm

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:33 PM
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12. i don't care what she says./.only how she votes! this is crap! so was her vote eom

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sandnsea

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:34 PM
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13. All sides of an issue - classic clinton

Can we go for a leader now please.

This is HOW WE GOT BUSH PEOPLE!!

:argh:

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Mass

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:36 PM
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14. And when will Reid bring this measure to a vote?

Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 05:41 PM by Mass

Because, if he does not, it is straddling both sides of the issue: saying to the left "look what I cosponsored" while saying to the right "look what I voted for".

So I totally expect for her to use her influence to get this to a vote very soon.

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Adelante

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:39 PM
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17. That will be the important thing to me, too

If she really pushes hard for this, aside from attaching her name, it will mean a lot.

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flpoljunkie

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:37 PM
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15. Well, Hillary hasn't yet signed on to Webb's bill. S. 759 has no co-sponsors, as yet.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:3:./temp/~bdDIEH::|/bss/d110query.html| (temporary link)

S.759

Title: A bill to prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran.

Sponsor: Sen Webb, Jim (introduced 3/5/2007) Cosponsors (None)

Related Bills: H.R.3119

Latest Major Action: 3/5/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

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Mass

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:38 PM
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16. If she signed today, it will only appear tomorrow on Thomas. The real question is whether she will

have to vote on it.

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flpoljunkie

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Tue Oct-02-07 06:45 AM
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38. Republicans will likely block it. Reid ought to make them actually filibuster it--rather than vote

against cloture, and then move on to other business, like they usually do in the Senate.

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superkia

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:43 PM
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18. Anyone have a link to read the amendment?

I would like to read it in full to make sure that it will prevent a so called tactical airstrike. I would like to see how they define a "large-scale operation against Iran".

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Totally Committed

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:44 PM
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19. This woman gives me whiplash...

"High, low,
to and fro,
Any way the wind blows,
Any way the wind blows...."

TC

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jillan

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:45 PM
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20. Now that is good news.

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burythehatchet

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Mon Oct-01-07 05:54 PM
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22. Confucious say, woman who sits on fence gets picket

stuck up her butt.

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Jax

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:12 PM
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24. The polls or her right wing enablers

at the dlc must be telling her this would be good for her.

clintons care about clintons. Period.

Go away Senator and take the complicit b*sh dems with you.

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elizm

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:16 PM
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26. As Gravel told her....she doesn't get a second chance on this...

She already made the mistake of giving Bush the green light to attack Iran. Now she says "I voted against it AFTER I voted for it????" :shrug:

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Zandor

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:16 PM
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30. Or he'll turn his 0.2% over to someone else? n/t

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calteacherguy

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:26 PM
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27. She's scored points with me today. Perhaps she listened to Clark. K&R.

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Eurobabe

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Tue Oct-02-07 11:11 AM
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54. But why did she vote yea on K/L anyhow?

Only to listen to Clark NOW and change her mind? :shrug:

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emilyg

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Mon Oct-01-07 06:50 PM
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28. Thanks for posting.

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Bjorn Against

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Mon Oct-01-07 07:22 PM
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29. So she voted for a horrible resolution last week...

But now she wants to make up for it by co-sponsoring a good bill that she knows will not get anywhere. If she wanted to stop a war with Iran she should have said so last week when she had the opportunity, introducing a bill she knows will be filibustered and defeated is not good enough.

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Carrieyazel

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:27 PM
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33. She changes with the political winds. She needs to pander to all areas

and she does it in the space of less than 72 hours most of the time. She was stunned that her vote on Iran last week burned so many people up, (showing her lousy political skills that she was shocked by this) so she decided to hurry up and "fix" it. By declaring that 'Oh, no that doesn't mean I'm for war in Iran'. Give me a break.

Its starting to come apart now. "the laugh", "the baby bonds", getting called out and flopping in the last couple of debates. All I've got to say is: I'm pleased this is happening.

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polichick

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:48 PM
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34. WTF???

Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 08:57 PM by polichick

Does she REALLY not get that she was part of a great big irresponsible nod to go ahead with the next Bush war just last week?

Or was last week's vote a nod to the Israel lobby ~ and this week's move a nod to the anti-war crowd???

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jmp

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Mon Oct-01-07 08:56 PM
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36. Day late ... dollar short

Guess that calculator needs replacing.

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jmp

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Mon Oct-01-07 09:00 PM
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37. btw this Amendment has been out there since March

Now she suddenly supports it because she stepped in it with her previous vote.

She is going to drop in the polls and is all but dead in the water.

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flpoljunkie

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Tue Oct-02-07 07:00 AM
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41. Yes, since March 5, 2007. Hillary become a co-sponsor yesterday, 10/1/07. See below

S.759

Title: A bill to prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran.

Sponsor: Sen Webb, Jim (introduced 3/5/2007) Cosponsors (1)

Related Bills: H.R.3119

Latest Major Action: 3/5/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.
COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 10/1/2007

Temporary link: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:3:./temp/~bdo5Ox:@@@P|/bss/d110query.html|

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Evergreen Emerald

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Tue Oct-02-07 08:51 AM
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45. when did Obama, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich become a co-sponsor?

Hillary has to do everything, better, backwards and in high-heels. She is held to a different standard than everyone else.

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Dawgs

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Tue Oct-02-07 08:58 AM
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46. They don't. They just have to vote for it.

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Evergreen Emerald

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Tue Oct-02-07 09:02 AM
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48. different standard...backwards and in highheels.

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Dawgs

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Tue Oct-02-07 09:00 AM
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47. And she becomes a co-sponsor just days after criticism of her Kyl/Lieberman vote.

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flpoljunkie

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Tue Oct-02-07 10:41 AM
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50. Critics might well say that "Hillary was for invading Iran before she was against it."

Hillary voted for Kyl-Lieberman, and now she's signed on to Webb's amendment. Webb, unlike Hillary, voted NO on Kyl-Lieberman.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349

S.759

Title: A bill to prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran.

Sponsor: Sen Webb, Jim (introduced 3/5/2007) Cosponsors (1)

Related Bills: H.R.3119

Latest Major Action: 3/5/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.
COSPONSORS(1), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 10/1/2007

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