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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:11 AM
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Obama failing to dent Clinton support
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/10/02/obama_failing_to_dent_clinton_support/9959/

Obama failing to dent Clinton support
Published: Oct. 2, 2007 at 8:55 AM
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NEW YORK, Oct. 2 (UPI) -- U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama has raised prodigious amounts of money but has yet to hurt support for rival Hillary Clinton, USA Today reported.
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Obama continues, as he has since February, to trail Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, by about 20 percentage points in USA Today/Gallup Polls.

Obama's strategists dismiss national polls as irrelevant and insist he will break to the front by the time the primaries begin nearly next year.

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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:16 AM
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1. National polls ARE irrelevant
The only people that push them are frontrunners and their supporters for the obvious reasons...everyone else knows that National polls are like jello. If Clinton doesn't start off strong in the early primaries, you'll see that 20% lead drop faster than a fly at a BBQ.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:33 AM
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5. You mean all the pundits trashing Hillary and promoting Obama are wrong?
Hard to believe Obama had such a surge in Iowa then..
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:54 AM
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11. And just where are all of these pundits? n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:54 PM
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20. Yeah - who cares what the voters think! Screw them!
:eyes:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:19 AM
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2. Let's wait and see what President Gephardt has to say about leading in national polls
Anyone know what the President Gephardt web page is?

:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:51 AM
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9. So, when did Gephardt lead by 20+ for months at a time? When did he lead in early primary states?
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:45 AM
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3. unfortunately
both HRC and obama have supporters who, are blindly following their candidates. unwilling to acknowledge that they both are polarizing. I will vote the straight Democratic ticket. I fear it will be for naught if either HRC, Obama, or Edwards are the nominee.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:13 AM
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4. He needs to get serious. Start running the Hillary laugh 24/7, see who wins. nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:36 AM
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6. Uh, right the RW ploy of ridiculing Gore..
I'm sure he'll use it. What with all the RW operatives he has working for him..

I expect it!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:54 AM
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7. Sorry, I didn't know. He has RW'ers working for him? nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:49 AM
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8. It matters to me...does it matter to you? nm
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:51 PM
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14. Yes, it does. But who are they and what do they do for him? nt
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:54 AM
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10. They are correct for doing so. Also the political analyst states the same. It does not matter
about National polls, it matters state by state.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:57 AM
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12. Hillary is leading state by state..
are you asleep, ethel?
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:58 AM
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13. She is not leading state by state.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 11:58 AM by Ethelk2044
I am wide awake
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:59 PM
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16. Show me state by state where Obama is leading..
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:01 PM
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18. Ok... let's look at the chart...



Places where HRC does not lead:

We have NM, Richardson's home state, in an old poll.
And IL, Obama's home state, in an old poll.
Then there's the splits in ID and OK, both old polls.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:01 PM
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17. Go back to sleep, Hillary is leading. nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:53 PM
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15. They certainly were irrelevant for Kerry in the primaries
I would think it's bad to be the front runner so early. How often is that person the one who wins?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:53 PM
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19. "Obama's strategists dismiss national polls as irrelevant " unless they favor him...
...just like his DU fanbase.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 06:04 PM
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21. Obama isn't making the sale
He comes off as too inexperienced and shaky on important issues, people don't want a weak leader like Obama has shown himself to be.

Obama as the "me too" candidate (policy wise) to Hillary isn't compelling enough for people to choose him instead of Hillary.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:01 PM
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22. I agree. That is it. exactly
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