Who breaks from the GOPs first?

The social conservatives, or the economic libertarians? And once you get past those two factions, who's left in the GOP, anyways?

I'd say the foreign policy neocons.

don't forget them!

The DLC ain't there for nothing, I guess.

like we did with the "Reagan Democrats"?..:rofl:

You get the Ayn Rand-worshipping, South-Park watching, pot-smoking ideologue libertarians, and then you have the big business corporate interests. The rich could be included anywhere in that.

Bruce Fein and Brent Scowcroft, for example.

economy, (the smoke screen) will eventually dissapate and the true state of the economy will be known....and the coverup by this administration will fall apart just like everything else they have touched....grocery bills going up, the housing market falling, the employment rate (this is an area I think they are really lying about)

When all of this breaks at the same time....the Economic libertarians will flee like the rest of the rats..

Condi has taken care of the "foreign policy neocons" for us....

Are they alienated by her policies? If not, they'd still be part of the party, for they have nowhere else to go.

They don't like taxes. They're generally not a bunch of Young Earth creationist pinheads who want to put women in jail for using the birth control pill. But the theocratic rimjobs are the ones who run the GOP today.

And Bush threw "fiscal discipline" out the window when he pissed away half a trillion dollars on Iraq, among other things.

Who's the one steering the boat?

They buy this bullshit floated by the Corporate Media about how the "Values Voter" is all-fucking-powerful. This is why they were so surprised by the reaction they got when Terri Schiavo bit them on the ass.

The fact is, the majority of Americans are pro-choice. The majority of Americans want an end to the drug war. The majority of Americans want government out of peoples' bodies, bedrooms, bloodstreams. The majority of Americans may not support gay marriage yet, but it's trending in that direction and the issue is waiting for bravery and leadership from one major party- ours.

The lesson is, if our people would stop trying to "woo the values voter" and start articulating a strong, unapologetic, personal freedom, pro-civil liberties, pro-separation of church and state, get-government-out-of-peoples'-private-business agenda, we would pick up a TON of votes, not just from disaffected GOP eco-libs but also from independents.

And yes, the Theocrats are pitching a fit because one major GOP contender, Rudy, is pro-choice. I've been predicting that for YEARS, because I know that the fantasy that somehow they're going to outlaw non-procreative fucking and drag this country back to some idyllic sexless 1950s that never existed is what motivates large numbers of the GOP "base" to the polls. (the rest, I think, are motivated by fear, bigotry & xenophobia) The fact is, though, they've been managing to push these religious right kooks on a populace that really doesn't agree with most of their bullshit. Like I said, Most Americans are pro-choice. But if the GOP nominates a pro-choice candidate for President, it will probably cause the party to fly apart at the seams.

Neocons' take on the GWOT, Israel, and the road to Rapture.

Some people are just downright selfish. If they think they can get their taxes cut, they are for that. If not, then not.

If they cause a lot of pollution, they want more freedom from government. If its their neighbor doing the polluting, they yell 'where the hell's the EPA when you need them?'

The national GOP seeks out those people and panders to them. People who vote only self-interest are going to be in a serious pickle in January of 2009.