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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:11 PM
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New Iowa Poll (Des Moines Register): Clinton 29%, Edwards 23%, Obama 22%
I don't think this has been posted yet:

Clinton takes lead for Democrats
BY THOMAS BEAUMONT AND JONATHAN ROOS
REGISTER STAFF WRITERS
Copyright 2007, Des Moines Register and Tribune Company

October 6, 2007

Hillary Clinton has climbed into first place in a new Des Moines Register poll of Iowans expected to participate in the state’s Democratic presidential caucuses, with John Edwards and Barack Obama both in striking distance.

The Iowa Poll shows 29 percent of likely caucusgoers preferring Clinton, a New York senator, an improvement from the Register’s most recent poll in May.

Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, was the choice of 23 percent in the new poll, slipping from the top spot since the May survey to nearly even with Obama.

Obama, an Illinois senator, was at 22 percent , virtually unchanged from May.


More: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071006/NEWS09/71005047/1001
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:20 PM
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1. She is doing great
I got a kick out of this line

"The new poll also shows Clinton picking up support while Edwards and Obama have sharpened their criticism of her."

In other words, the boys are busy cackling at her :rofl:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:30 PM
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2. hmmm, I see Blackwater Penn is taking polls again...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:37 PM
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3. Is that the latest excuse ? How about Intrade Presidential Market
http://news.yahoo.com/s/intrade/20071005/pl_intrade/intrade_news_2007100529_1




"Clinton's current price of 43.9 is down 1.6 points from last weeks value of 45.5. None of her rivals for the presidency were able to make up any significant ground on the market leader however.
ADVERTISEMENT

Rudy Giuliani recorded only a modest gain, with his current price of 16.2 a 0.4 point increase from last weeks value of 15.8. Fred Thompson saw a reversal of last week's gains by suffering a decline in value this week. The former Senator from Tennessee is currently trading at 9.0, which is down 0.6 points from last weeks price of 9.6.

Barack Obama also saw downward movement in his price this week. His current value of 7.9 is a 0.4 point slip from last weeks price of 8.3 and represents his lowest value since Nov '06. These movements give Clinton a comfortable 27.7 point lead at the head of the field. This is down 2.0 points from the 29.7 point lead she held last week".

Check out the chart...Poor ....poor Obama. Click on it to get a full gander.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:25 PM
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14. NO
this isn't an internal campaign poll. Nice try.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:04 AM
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42. It's Already Been Established She's Not The Sharpest Tool In The Shed
eom
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:50 AM
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47. It's been established she is not even a tool.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:51 AM
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48. You mean Obama /Rezko...
Obama's VP is headed for jail...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:34 PM
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55. Hillary well received in IOWA!
Blogger acct:

BBQ Scene

The Johnson County BBQ in Iowa City, Iowa was amazing. The food was great, the people were excited, and the atmosphere was energetic. As the crowds arrived, they were met with a barrage of campaign volunteers, from all of the campaigns, pushing supporter cards and stickers.

The line for Hillary Clinton’s booth stretched outside the hall, down the large ramp, and into the parking lot. A vast majority of the people there wore Hillary stickers. Hillary placards and a plate of a BBQ pork sandwich with beans filled the arms of so many people. As the day went on, the candidates arrived and made their way to the main barn to give their speeches.

The crowd sizes were interesting. Kucinich had a huge crowd. Edwards had a decently sized crowd as well. Those there to see Obama were presented with Forrest Whitaker, who drew a crowd slightly smaller than Bill Richardson’s.

The big winner of the sign wars and the crowd size was Hillary Clinton. She was introduced by George McGovern, professing his admiration for Hillary, and proudly endorsing her.

Also there was Jim McGovern, the Massachusetts congressman. She electrified the crowd with a speech on Bush’s “War on Science” and on her memories of the Space Race and what we had accomplished. She also talked about women’s rights.

After her speech, which was the last, she left going into the crowd, shaking hands, taking pictures and giving autographs.

When she left the barn, she took a picture with the Students For Hillary-University of Iowa Chapter, of which I am the President.

She then took a picture with some young boys, probably 9 or 10 years old, where she initiated and led the crowd in singing Happy Birthday to the little boy! That was personable.

The boy left, saying “the President sang Happy Birthday to me!” No other candidate would have done that.

She then stayed longer with supporters greeting them. Overall, it was clear at this BBQ who is number *ONE* in Iowa.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:37 PM
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4. When did it become a three way contest?
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:52 PM
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7. The full list: Clinton 29%, Edwards 23%, Obama 22%, Not sure 11%, Richardson 8%,
Biden 5%, Dodd and Kucinich both at 1%. All info is from the link in the OP.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:48 PM
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5. May v October
October numbers (change since May):

Hillary Clinton 29% (+8)
John Edwards 23% (-6)
Barack Obama 22% (-1)
Bill Richardson 8% (-2)
Joe Biden 5% (+2)
Dennis Kucinich 1% (-1)
Chris Dodd 1% (+1)
Mike Gravel -% (-1)
Undecided 11% (0)

HRC posts the biggest gains, Edwards posts the biggest losses. Sounds like a trend.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:53 PM
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8. Interesting comparisons, thanks!
I think the trends are the most important things here, but obviously a lot could still change.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:22 PM
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13. Hey Aya, it is shocking to me that Edwards is losing so much,
considering how much time he has spent there.

I wonder why?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:58 PM
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21. It's because he hasn't bought any TV time like
Clinton or Obama. He's working the ground.

zalinda
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:11 PM
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22. I understand that but he has been there for what...a couple of years?
What the hell has he been doing?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:30 AM
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27. Maybe he should.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:19 PM
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24. The time he spent there got him the early lead
but now he's losing it as the other candidates are spending lots of time there as well.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:51 AM
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38. My Guess...
lack of funds (to pay for foot soldiers, staff, ads, etc.) + scandal (home foreclosing hedge fund which he was directly tied to) + increasing visibility of his competitors (whereas he maxed himself out ages ago) = downward spiral

IMHO, Edwards peaked a couple of months ago. Because his competition decided to show up, he's finding his numbers declining, and they'll probably continue to drop until they're down to about where he is nationally.

I think Edwards betting everything on Iowa was a colossal mistake.

If the "anyone-but-Hill" crowd wants to try to make a difference, go with Obama. By the time January rolls around, he'll be the lone threat to HRC.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:54 AM
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49. Obama has a scandal coming up soon... the bad news is going to hit before the Primary..nm
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:47 PM
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56. I'm just humbly thrilled that my candidate is moving up, slowly to be sure, but
moving up!


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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:00 PM
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57. Biden +2! It's the beginning of the Biden groundswell...
Go ahead, post your condescending rebuttals below. I don't care. : )
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:09 PM
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58. people are starting to pay attention. not blindly following name recognition
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:14 PM
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59. Bidentum! Joe's Big Mo!
"Plugs" is on the move!
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:49 PM
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6. Boy, that 29% is unstoppable!!!!! Its over!!! Hillary is the winner!!!!
Seriously though, this race isn't even close to being over.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:54 PM
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10. Remember how ugly the Republicans were in victory?
Remember it more.
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collegegirl211 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:55 PM
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11. When HRC wins Iowa and NH then it wll be over.
trends are important and Hillary is gaining momentum in Iowa and it'as only three months away.
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AwareOne Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:19 PM
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12. If by "over" you mean that we will get our asses kicked in the
general election with HRC as our candidate, then I agree. After being demonized by the right for 15 years, Hillary will not win the national popularity contest that we call the Presidential election. I have encountered many, friends, family, co-workers, etc. that have a visceral dislike for her. I think she would be a great president but I must be realistic and choose Edwards who can win a general election. IMHO
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:27 PM
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16. polls show her beating
any Republican candidate. The "she can't win" talking point has been disproven repeatedly.

Cope.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #16
43. Some People Have Their Own Reality
Often for them the only antidote is medication.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Edwards has pennies and puny support. Stop being
:scared: of crumbling repukes
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collegegirl211 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:40 PM
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20. lol I totally agree
the only thing he is good at is looking great in his jeans. :P
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collegegirl211 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:37 PM
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19. are you serious? she is kicking rudy's ass in the general election polls
and edwards had his chance in 04 he is at like 11% nationally lol seriously he is not going to win. Hillary will be the next president so get used to it. and stop using gop talking points because the electability thing is played out.
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:21 AM
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37. Do you think Nixon DIDN'T
. . . cause a visceral negative reaction among scores of Americans when he ran in 68 and again in 72? And look what happened.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:26 PM
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15. Yup and she is holding back, because she can
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:31 AM
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28. Nobody is saying it's over.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:53 PM
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9. Looks like a horse race.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:28 PM
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17. 11% undecided with a MOE of 4.9%
It's a horse race...

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:15 PM
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23. Yup. And three months is a political eternity
Anything can happen
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:56 AM
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61. More than half of those polled say they might change their minds, as well.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:24 PM
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25. This is usually a reliable poll,
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 11:28 PM by maximusveritas
still, it's important to remember that this poll (and most others like it) relies on the assumption that all the young voters and independents supporting Obama are not likely to show up to caucuses. That may be a good assumption to make, but if the Obama campaign can find a way to make it happen, they'll surprise people and do better than expected.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:40 PM
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26. Its over. You can tell by two things
This poll, and also the desperation exhibited by DU'ers against Hillary.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:35 AM
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30. Advertising
Just wait till Edwards actually starts advertising as we get closer to the caucus. He's only spent 27 thousand on ads there, compared to the hundreds of thousands other candidates have already spent. I think those numbers will even up.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #30
39. He can only spend 27K 'cause
That's all he's got.

Whatever John has, both Barack and Hill can match it by at least three-fold.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:33 AM
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44. Exactly...
John Edwards has run a piss poor campaign. What in the world was he thinking? A throw away figure running for the Presidency is $100,000,000 give or take. He's barely through the exploratory stage and out of cash. Ridiculous getting into a race without paying attention to the finances necessary to make it to the finish line. All the speeches in the world won't make a difference if your message is stymied because you're broke. Big disappointment!
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:16 AM
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52. He has plenty of money in the reserves
With the grassroots money he is raising, plus the money he will get from choosing to be publically financed. He is waiting till use it when he knows people begin paying attention and making decisions. Voters in Iowa are very fluid (this poll says around 50% of those committed to a candidate might still change before the caucus.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. your a damn fool the election is three months away and no one has even voted
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:33 AM
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29. Wow, Obama is in a tailspin!
Hillary is spanking him in poll numbers, contributions and endorsements.
Go Hillary!!
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:51 AM
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31. I look at the ORGANIZATIONS each candidate has and not these stupid polls that change everyday
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 12:53 AM by bigdarryl
on election day they have to get people to the polls and vote. they all got pretty good organizations in Iowa so this is a horse race to the finish.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:53 AM
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32. Did they ask who has the most enthusiastic supporters? That may make the difference. nt
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:54 AM
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33. Well, it is a poll of "likely caucusgoers," so that may help. n/t
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:57 AM
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35. I think the race in Iowa is a complete toss-up at this point.
I think Obama has a really good chance if it's true he has a better organization and the most enthusisatic supporters.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:01 AM
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36. I agree that it's a toss-up
though I don't know details on the candidates' respective organizations or the enthusiasm of their supporters (which might be a bit difficult to quantify.) I actually have a couple of friends (recent college grads) who have moved to Iowa to work for candidates, so maybe I'll ask them what their perceptions of the situation are.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 04:42 AM
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41. Do tell us what your friends think
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #35
60. After Hillary wins big in Iowa will you concede that Obama
is toast?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 04:38 AM
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40. Additional little factoid!
http://www.pollster.com/AIATopDems.php

While HRC, Obama, and even Richardson are trending upward in Iowa, Edwards is trending downward.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:47 AM
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45. It's not rocket science for people to figure out..
why bet their money and their vote on a candidate that lacks the preparation ($$$) as a serious contender for the General.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:49 AM
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46. Want to read something funny?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:45 AM
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50. That thread, William 769, is a classic propaganda ploy.
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 07:47 AM by robcon
Comparing Clinton's slow progress in Iowa to the national polls, where she's doing extremely well, would have made Pravda proud back in the day.

Clinton's campaign is doing well in Iowa, doing as well as ever in the polls, although it 's still close in that state with Obama.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:00 AM
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51. I agree 100%.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:06 AM
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53. "399 registered voters who definitely or probably will attend Democratic Caucuses "
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 11:07 AM by Debi
the link is great for breaking down the poll on gender/race/age and preference.

11% undecided is such a large number with the top three polling so close to each other.


On edit:

x( spell-check!

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:35 PM
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54. yep
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