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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:13 AM
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Russert grilling Edwards on MTP..
Edwards isn't doing so well. Hedge Funds, home foreclosures...

Russert has his guns loaded and this is just the beginning.

Wait until he brings up Campaign Money..
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:14 AM
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1. Biased, just a bit?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:17 AM
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5. See for yourself..MTP is on in the NE!
Edwards hasn't scored a point yet against Russert.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:15 AM
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2. All the candidate should be prepared for this /nt
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:16 AM
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3. Did Edwards cackle?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:20 AM
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8. Not yet, unless someone uses a cattle prod..
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:23 AM
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14. Does a goose cackle? His is cooked
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:16 AM
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4. Please define...
"Not doing so well"? Is he drooling and spitting on Timmeh? Sitting there in a fugue state, staring off into space? Trashing the set?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:19 AM
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6. Actually, he slouched over himself..
and he's not standing up well to Russert.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:19 AM
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7. I thought he did great!
So well, my husband has decided to vote for him in the primary. Very smart very capable, and I can't WAIT to find out where the other candidates spend their money and time. Guess different people see it differently.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:21 AM
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10. He has pennies and pitiful support for a reason.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:29 AM
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21. I think Edwards did great also...


He's got my vote!!!:yourock:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:33 AM
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24. YEAH, You're Right
the reason is the media hasn't hyped him like they have Obama and Hillary. His $7 million this last quarter is hardly pennies and it is only pitiful compared to the two front runners. Compare it to many candidates in the 2004 election (Senator Kerry raised $4m the third quarter of 2003) and it doesn't seem so bad.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:32 PM
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52. You're interrupting the surge. The pro-Hillary surge, that is.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:20 AM
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9. whenever i see something like this i just rememeber the spineless bug-eyed bastard
softballing bush, cheney, rice etc etc etc....

he is a cowardly tool of the corporate media.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:24 AM
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15. Russert was alot easier on Edwards than he was on Hillary..
But he did point our Edwards weakness and they are problematic..especially the $$$$
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:25 AM
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16. boy ..have you got that right..Timmy is a tool and an asshole!..not on yet
here where i am in NE...waiting..

but i shut timmy off 4 years ago..he makes me puke..i will watch this morning..but that is a huge concession for me..i hate timmy... the ass suck for corporate power and fascism!

fly
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:28 AM
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18. "Call Russert..."
Mary Matalin said -part of the anti-WE GOT CAUGHT RED HANDED spy affair debacle

That trial spotlighted how much of a tool of theirs he really is.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:41 AM
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71. patsy for corporate interests - Russert Potato head
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:23 AM
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11. Russert just said, Edwards hasn't the funds to make it through to election day...
Edwards is going on faith...If it was faith and money...he'd have a chance.

Russert was sure to point out he won't have the funds to complete the race in the General.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:29 AM
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20. i believe Edwards is not getting the money at present by those waiting for Gore..
as i myself have held off sending money ..as i am waiting forn Gore and want my money and donations going to Gore should he get in..

if Gore does not..my money will go to Edwards..Hillary doesn't need our grassroots money..she has all the corporate $$$$$$$$$$$ and DLC $$$$$$$$$$ that money can buy the candidate with!

fly
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:32 AM
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23. Gore is NOT going to run..
Get over it already! And a sad excuse for you not supporting Edwards, if he's your candidate!

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:53 AM
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39. Why don't you read a little more about hillary before you display
her banner so prowdly...Edwards may not win and hillary might but that doesn't mean she is the best for this country...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:36 AM
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48. Gore is my candidate..how dare you tell me anything....your cheerleading is quite evident..
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 10:37 AM by flyarm
Gore is my candidate..and do you have a crystal ball better than mine??
..so what do you know that no one else does???????

and i am not going to get over anything..i want Gore and that is my chocie..just as sucking up to hillary is your choice.

fly

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:08 PM
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69. No it isn't... I want to pick the best candidate available... Currently it is Edwards...
But if Gore got in the race it would definitely be Gore, and you know it. That is why you want to dismiss any possibility of him getting in the race.

If you were in his shoes and were thinking still of getting in the race, would you announce before or after the Nobel Peace prize were announced?

If you wanted someone like Edwards to be our candidate and you'd already decided firmly that you weren't going to run, don't you think you would have endorsed him by now so that he'd get more donations? ESPECIALLY if he's locked into public campaign financing rules!

We don't know if Gore's getting in, but neither do you. Your support of Hillary makes it clear that you aren't God and have some higher level knowledge. I think we have potentially about a month before we will know one way or the other.

And yes, my money is also being held back from Edwards to wait for Gore too. A lot of us non-corporate types don't have a lot of money to donate to everyone we like like perhaps you might.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:00 AM
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43. Hillary's big corporate donation money will surely get her over the finish line
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:23 AM
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12. I thought he did a good job...he didn't answer many questions,
but got his message out no matter what the questions were.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:27 AM
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17. Edwards was reluctant to answer the money question..
first saying: "You want me to answer that question?" Big sore spot!

Edwards answer was passable but not realistic.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:23 AM
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13. And, HERE WE GO AGAIN! The Same People, The Same All The
time, and YET... has Anyone MENTIONED ANYTHING about Hillary Clinton's ties to Blackwater today???

I don't watch MSM, so I will admit I don't know, but if I were betting, I'd say NO!!!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:28 AM
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19. I hardly ever start threads.. wheres the BEEF?
Complain to Ilipro..Count the thread started by her... then talk to me.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 AM
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29. Oh I See... YOU Don't START The Threads, You Just Keep Them
GOING! Sorry, my BAD!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:31 AM
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22. "And, HERE WE GO AGAIN! The Same People, The Same All The time."
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 09:35 AM by William769
The irony! :rofl:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 AM
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30. Irony...ironic blindness
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:43 AM
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33. EEWOOOWWW, Hit A Nerve, 'EH???
I'm going shopping NOW!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:47 AM
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37. Oh goody. Please buy a clue or two
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:54 AM
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40. NAH, Hubby WANTS Gator-Aid... Is That Just Like Kool-Aid???
But then he likes to watch all those SPORTS too! You know, the ones who make ALL THAT MONEY, take Steroids and kill dogs too!!!

But Me??? I NEED some Apple Juice! No comparison here!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:34 AM
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25. "ties to blackwater"--will you swallow anything?
There are NO "ties" to blackwater. What a load of propaganda twisting / spinning/ and swallowing hook line and sinker as long as it aligns with your preconceived notions.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:44 AM
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34. Not only will they swallow it...they bathe in it, just like the freeps
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 09:46 AM by durrrty libby
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:56 AM
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41. Leaving Now... Not Gonna Keep This One Up And Running Anymore...
Gonna let it slide down the list!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:18 PM
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50. Here's some bathroom literature for you...
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 03:00 PM
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56. Some just revel in being nasty because they never every have any thing intelligent to say.
I may not support your candidate but the level of intelligence displayed by some of her supporters is very telling.Some HRC supporters are fact based and smart. I respect that. Others, who shall be nameless are just participants in nasty pile ons of other candidates they obviously perceive as threats .Perhaps some thinks there should be NO opposition to the front runner? and a coronation is in order?
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:35 AM
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26. Fuck Tim Rushbaugh.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:42 AM
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32. I second that Fuck!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:35 PM
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53. How can you take seriously someone who believes that integrity is for
paupers? He's a paid whore, and he has no qualms admitting it.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:35 AM
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27. I do not think Edwards lost anything here
I listened to the interview and some tough questions were asked since he was a Dem rather than a Bu$h, but he stood his ground as far as his stances were concerned from what I saw.

I sighed when Russert asked him about his wealth and hedge funds. Would that the same man would ask any other corporatist, Dem or Repug about their own involvement in hedge funds. Plus Edwards said he took them out. Is any other candidate doing this ~ or are they all sitting on their money bags and pretending their investments are somehow not relevant for them but for Edwards, well ...?

I am tired of hearing about Edward's house, hedge funds or any other money crap which does not affect me, you or anyone else in this country. All these people drool over the stock market when all that flubby dust does nada for anyone but the rich. I want to hear about the issues affecting my grand kids and me, such as the stance he is making on poverty, worker's rights, and the environment. Why is he is expected to live differently than any of his competitors? Let's talk about substantive issues such as the Iraq war, health care, jobs with livable wages, corporate influence, etc.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:26 PM
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70. Exactly! He got out the important message.
I just read his book Four Trials and he is truly sincerely a mill kid. He earned his money fighting big corporations for injured PEOPLE. He is great in front of a jury because he does his homework. I LOVED the nuance with which he called Russert on the Hillary question. He was awesome. I agree with his wife Elizabeth, the hatred for Hillary on the right is unfair, but you can't pretend it doesn't exist! Jeez anyone who read Blinded by the Right, knows what is waiting. But Edwards very smoothly called Tim on his EXACT question which was a prediction Edwards said he could not make.

I have to say, anyone get chills when Russert said "Stay safe on the campaign trail" or something like that? Has Russert said something like that before????
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 AM
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28. Surprise, surprise, surprise...a Clintoon fan eager to see Timmy pick apart Edwards...
:rofl:

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:44 AM
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35. Lots of pathology hidden in that comment...
Are you posting from your Obama table?

If not...how come?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:27 AM
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46. So why did you use the term "grilling" in your OP title...
As for my Obama table, news about yesterday's happening is coming soon, including the fantastic news of at least a dozen people saying they no longer support Hillary Clinton.

My middle finger salutes you.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:16 PM
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49. And Obama salutes YOU with the same finger..
Obama in S.C.; toughens security stance, would not use DOJ to investigate Bush administration.

http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/308764.html

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:03 AM
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44. that's the most ridiculous Freeperism there is
Every time I see the freepers call him "Klintoon," I :rofl: myself
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 AM
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31. John Edwards Did Fine...
We discovered he's not a saint and some of his partisans aren't either...

That makes him like very other politician...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:47 AM
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36. Personaly...
All I can think of is taking a trip in an RV with Edwards across the Sahara and running out of gas half way.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:52 AM
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38. I think he did fine
Each candidate has negatives that Russert is going to bring up.

Edwards was prepared to answer for his negatives and while responding hit on the positives of his campaign and potential presidency (pretty much the same way Clinton did in her turn w/Russert).

Both are seasoned campaigners and Sunday Talk Show speakers.

:shrug:

I don't think this hurt him at all.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:05 AM
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45. MTP just started here
Right out of the box he's telling what troops would remain in Iraq. Seems to be clear answering the first questins.

He's not my candidate of choice. I'm caucusing and voting for Kucinich. But Edwards seems to be doing fine.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:59 AM
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42. When the Revolution comes, there will be a wall waiting for Timmy.
nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:32 AM
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47. I can only hope...nm
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:29 PM
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51. Edwards problems are the result of a single crap shoot; but Hillary's
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 01:29 PM by The Backlash Cometh
problems are endemic. Wealth doesn't come with a playbook. The difference between Edwards and Hillary, is that Edwards has a sense of fair play and he rectifies a situation as soon as he recognizes that it unfairly harmed people. How long was he in that Hedge Fund? A year? If he had been in that Hedge Fund for ten years, I'd be worried.

Hillary, on the other hand, goes ball to the wall with her decisions. She's upper crust oriented, and she'll only feel bad until she plops the chocolate on her pillowcase in her mouth.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 02:08 PM
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54. He's got $16M invested in that hedge fund
So he's not exactly removed from it, although he has moved his money specifically from the subprime mortgage subsidiaries. The working class seems to be supporting Hillary, not Edwards, so her crust can't be so upper as you say. Edwards' own support comes from higher income brackets. The picture you are painting doesn't hold up.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 03:49 PM
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58. You're not painting it accurately either.
He's doing what he can, for the people who are personally affected. It's not easy to divest of that kind of money, and quite frankly, if having that kind of stake in the game gives him leverage to help them, then maybe we should see what creative plan he comes up with.

It's not the working class who is behind Hillary. It's the heads of the organizations who are announcing their support for her, but nobody knows how the people within those organizations will vote, until election day. And why do they do announce support for her? Probably because politically they are believing this surge media-blast, that she's unbeatable. Why get on her bad side, if you believe she's going to win?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 04:49 PM
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59. I referred to poll demographics
Clinton leads with people earning under $30,000-$40,000. Edwards is doing what he can with foreclosures in New Orleans, not in the rest of the country in similar straits due to the same companies owned by Fortress. I'm presenting facts, not my opinion.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:07 PM
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60. At least he's trying to do something. And that's a start.
We should all be concerned that such a short-term investment can create such havoc, because the Clintons favor those kinds of economic quick fixes. If she becomes president, I forsee lots of well to do people with lots of surplus money being given similar economic investment opportunities. It's a risk that the middle class and the lower classes can't take. And it's not likely that she considers Hedge Funds a problem, if her daughter is still working for one.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 02:20 PM
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55. This Biden supporter disagrees with the OP
Edwards did real well. I was impressed.

He had an excellent answer for all of Timmy's questions.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 03:07 PM
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57. First you write a childish post attacking Obama and now Edwards
Great job supporting your candidate there. :eyes:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:18 PM
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62. What are you talking about?
He blamed the country's ills on the Clintons! He said The Clinton's screwed US.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/


What kind of a smarmy democrat is that? He crafted the IWR Agreement and promoted it to the country on Bush's WH site..

I think he's lost his mind!

When is he going to take the Republicans to task?

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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:14 PM
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61. Which qualities convince you that Hillary is the best candidate?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:43 PM
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63. Does Russbaugh grill Repug Candidates this hard, as well?
I don't tune in to him because he is such a RWing Shill. Integrity? He don't need no stinkin' integrity. It's for poor folk. He & his wife mingle with the "Have mores."
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:52 PM
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64. I thought he did pretty well,
but he never addressed Richardson's quote about leaving non-combat troops behind in a civil war. Have we ever done such a thing, and how at risk are those troops when their closest combat support is in another country?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:54 PM
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65. When has Hillary ever done an interview an attacked Obama or Edwards..
I'm really surprised Edwards has become Obama's attack dog! pooh on him!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 05:58 PM
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66. Bad strategy IMO.
EE & John keep attacking and his numbers keep going down. Obama's probably smart not to go negative.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:15 PM
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67. If Edwards plans to turn his caucus votes over to Obama
He's made himself Obama's attack dog!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:25 PM
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68. Ok, I see what you mean.
I don't see that happening. FWIW, if it comes down to that, I think Obama will stand with Clinton rather than Edwards. That's just my impression of him of course, but Edwards/Trippi seems to be running a 'me against the world' campaign,' and I don't get that attitude from Obama.
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