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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:12 AM Original message |
The Nation's Katrina Vanden Huevel: Where is Hillary on Closing Tax Loopholes for Mega-Billionaires? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'll say it again; since when does a vanden Heuvel speak for the |
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MikeNearMcChord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Attacking the messenger, not the message |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Who needs a defense against folly? vanden Heuvel lives in NY and |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. As editor of The Nation, Katrina vanden Heuvel is a very effective spokeswoman for working folks-- |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Ah, you like her pretty face ... shame she's not an effective spokesperson |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. That's your opinion, Fredda, and everybody has one. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. I agree, I think she has OUR best interests at heart and she proves |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I question whether Katrina KNOWS our interests |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Divisive position? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You answered your own question |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I don;t recall saying we need a French Revolution |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. HRC is walking the fine line well ... why heckle from *our* side? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. what's the "fine line"? trying to appear to back the middle class |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. The fine line toward getting elected. n/t |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. It's never the "right time" it seems |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Have you forgotten how Bill raised taxes after he was elected? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. an "adult" campaign? excuse me? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. HRC is focused on the general election ... which must appeal beyond our base |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Adult? Why is taking a clear position immature? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Delaying gratification is a measure of maturity |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I've been patient since the late 1970;s when Carter started the push to the right... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. that "tack to the right" strategy we only pulled off sucessfully |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I'm glad we can disagree agreeably |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. well, we can agree to disagree then.i have no reason |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
75. Recognizing that not everyone agrees with you (us) seems mature. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Bill Clinton did explain how he would have to raise taxes |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. wow, |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Insanity? Nope, it's life. Get used to it |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. typical "live with it" DLC pap... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. HRC will capture more than the Dem base, which will be a mandate |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. Too bad she missed this |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. She addressed this in July, 07 |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I found a DU post on it by William769 done at the time |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. Possible reason for this going un-notice is early July, holidays, |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. You're not interested in where Hillary stands on that? Shame. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Nation is not representative of the Democratic Party nor does it speak for it |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Certainly not the representative of the Clinton/DLC wing of the Democratic party! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. certainly not representative of the Democratic party, period. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. neither is the DLC, so what's your point? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. but they're Democrats, the Nation is not. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. got any proof the reporters for the nation aren't dems? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. *crickets* |
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Pyrzqxgl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
54. No it isn't and thats too damn bad. It's a great magazine. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Katrina failed to mention Clinton's past support on this. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. Maybe, but she is one of the strongest voices for our cause |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. even though she is a liar? |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. So now Katrina is a liar??? What is your problem? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. yep. |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
8. Read up, Katrina |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It'd Be Nice If You Provided a Link |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The point is, Katrina doesn't know |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. yeah sure |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I don't know what it is. Can you enlighten us with a link, or are you |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Here's a link to her calling for the tax hike in July |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. uhm |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Feel free to peruse her website. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Good for her if she follows though |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. Gee even tho someone on the DU was making fun of Hillary |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks for this. I'd read about Reid's boneheadedness yesterday. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
18. wink-wink, nudge-nudge |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. Katrina is one of the most intelligent and savvy people out |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. She is but she got this one wrong. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. ... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
31. EDITED |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
39. I expect the MSM to be lazy but the Nation? Jesus Christ use google Katirna |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Isn't it frustrating when it looks like no one is paying attention to your post? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Seconded. n/t |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Thirded. Is that a word? n/t |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Fourthed |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Check your date there, rinsd--July 13th. Hillary's been notably silent since Reid caved yesterday. |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What difference does the date make? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. You see it is not only important that Hillary have a position... |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Yeah I've noticed.. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. So? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. The blog implies Hillary is silent on this issue. |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Too late to edit the OP... |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. flpoljunkie, after going to Katrina's site and reading |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Some folks don't read too closely before they mouth off and attack the messenger when they don't |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Actually I was guilty of skimming, not reading |
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