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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:09 PM
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Barack Obama: Clinton Wrong on Foreign Policy
Obama: Clinton Wrong on Foreign Policy
By PHILIP ELLIOTT

The Associated Press
Wednesday, October 10, 2007; 12:15 PM

CONCORD, N.H. -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's votes and statements on war and torture should give voters pause, Democratic rival Barack Obama said Wednesday.

Obama, who was in the Illinois state Senate at time of Congress' vote to authorize military action in Iraq, said the New York senator now is painting her support in a different light.

"What's clear when you look at her statements and her approach to the problem, she was too willing to give the president a blank check. There's been a little bit of revisionist history since that time, where she indicates she was only authorizing only inspectors or additional diplomacy," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"I think everybody in Washington and people in New Hampshire and round the country understood this was a vote for war. The question is: Does she apply different judgment today?"

Obama has been criticizing Clinton daily on the war and on a recent vote to label Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization--a stance he suggests could affect U.S. commitments in the region.

"I think it's important for voters in New Hampshire, as they look forward, to see who got the most important foreign policy discussion since the Cold War right and who got it wrong," Obama said in the interview. "Because we're going to have a series of those decisions in the future."

The Clinton campaign struck back. (Gee, who does this sound like?)

"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is abandoning the politics of hope and embracing the same old attack politics as his support slips here in New Hampshire," said Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand. "Attacks on other Democrats won't bring about the change we need, but electing Senator Clinton will."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:11 PM
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1. Yes, she is wrong in the most frightening way.
:scared:

We need a new direction. Gobama.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:12 PM
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2. Contrasting his judgment with hers isn't an "attack"--it's how to campaign to win.
Go, Skinny Dog!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:51 PM
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20. skinny dog. too funny!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM
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22. It came from a Garrison Keillor/Salon article about Obama--always liked it!
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM by wienerdoggie
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:12 PM
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3. Crocodile tears...
"Obama has been criticizing Clinton daily on the war and on a recent vote to label Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization--a stance he suggests could affect U.S. commitments in the region."

As he hopes the media doesn't catch on to the fact he co-sponsored the same thing six months earlier...

Or maybe inquire whether if he thought the vote was sooooo important, why he was the only Presidential candidate from the U.S. Senate to fail to vote...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:18 PM
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4. Keep trying to discount those YES votes of hers all you like -
but all else short of that pales in comparison.

Other than the partisan choosing up of sides, most people are smart enough to make that comparative analysis accurately.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:42 PM
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7. Not discounting them at all...
She was absolutely correct on Kyl-Lieberman...

Obama is a hypocrite on the issue...twice over...not only did he support it 6 months ago, but didn't think it was important enough to vote on this time...

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:59 PM
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11. She was WRONG on the IWR and WRONG on Kyl-Lieberman.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 01:07 PM by AtomicKitten
She just blew her own "if we knew then" argument right out of the water by signing on to this precursor for more war.

1. The legislation that never left committee you speak of had 68 co-sponsors, including Hillary, so not only is that a moot point to try to make but a hypocritical one as well.

2. And although Reid had not scheduled the Kyl-Lieberman vote that day, when Obama heard that Reid was, in fact, going to bring it up after all, Obama campaining out of state issued this statement clearly indicating his view:

"Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the President that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran - not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today."

Best of luck banging away at Obama's strength. Rove perfected the technique and it's not a surprise Hillary and camp are using it as well.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:14 PM
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12. "It's the hypocrisy, Moran"
Once again, Obama is a flaming hypocrite...if it was important he would have voted on it. Clearly he does not think it is serious enough to warrant his time and effort...to you know...do his job...

And clearly his convictions only run as deep as he thinks they may help in the campaign...hence the flip-flopping...

As to Kyl Lieberman...it was absolutely the correct vote...

Wesley Clark...who as you know has just a tad bit more experience than Obama


Last week, Hillary voted for a non-binding resolution that designates the odious Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization in order to strengthen our diplomatic hand. On Monday, she joined Senator Jim Webb in co-sponsoring a bill that would prohibit the use of funds for military action in Iran without specific authorization by Congress.

I support Hillary in both these votes. She is committed to ending the unilateralism of the Bush-Cheney administration. She is a strong supporter of direct nuclear talks with Iran, because she believes that direct dialogue with our adversaries is a sign of strength and confidence, and a prerequisite to achieving America's goals and objectives.


A position also supported by Joseph Clark...again, with a tad bit more credibility than "Mr. No Show"



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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:25 PM
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14. Hillary: "No war left behind."


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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:28 PM
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15. Obama: "No Vote Too Important to Miss"
unless it will help me in my campaign


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:32 PM
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16. Anorexic.
But your rationalizations and attempted shell game with the truth are, as always, amusing.

And I remain thrilled that's all you've got. :hi:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 PM
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17. ...
Your denial of fact and the rationalizations for a U.S. Senator not doing his job are always quite amusing...

And I am very happy that opposing Wes Clark, and siding with those that apparently believe Iran is not a sponsor of terrorism is all you have got...

At least you didn't criticize her laugh...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:56 PM
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23. But RIGHT on all the wars votes he shared with her?
I'm surprised at seeing Rove techniques employed by the Oprahbama cult.
But I guess it's time for desperate measures...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:58 PM
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25. Obama has only voted on funding.
The only "vote for war" came from Hillary who voted "yes" on the IWR and since that worked out so nicely she voted "yes" on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:00 PM
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26. Oprahbama? And you call others desperate?
Adulthood is good. You should try it someday. :hi:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:21 PM
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5. I guess Clinton's record is off-limits now
It's nobody's business how she'd run the presidency or how she's acted as a Senator in the past.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:50 PM
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9. Right~ Obama has the audacity
like Dean did to bring up the unpleasant politics of certain dems.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:16 PM
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13. Exactly!
Hilary is SOOOOOOOOO perfect, you cannot criticize her votes.

Call me when she turns water to wine.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM
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21. Is Obama's every-war-vote-same-as-Clinton record off limits now?
It's nobody's business how he'd run the presidency or how he's acted as a Senator in the past.

:eyes:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:01 PM
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27. Obama has only voted on funding.
It was Hillary that voted for war and more war.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:23 PM
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6. Link?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:48 PM
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8. The hillarites don't address
the problems("don't attack me I'm a dlc democrat").

I so very appreciative that Obama is doing this because otherwise the whole thing goes down the ronald raygun wabbit HOLE.

I remember in 2003/4 when Dean was bringing up unpleasant democratic history and the tooth and nails were on his ass for daring to "attack democracts".

hillary was very "willing to give the bushits a blank check"..the question is.."what was she thinking? I think I know, although, it undoubtedly has layers.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:58 PM
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10. Thank you Obama!
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:40 PM
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18. Who cares? If you have a foreign policy question, everyone looks to Biden for answers anyway
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:51 PM
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19. He has voted with her on every war vote - but she's "wrong"?
He does know people keep records of his votes, doesn't he?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:57 PM
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24. What "war vote" did he vote on?
I believe you mean funding.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:02 PM
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28. Politics 101: When you are behind, you attack.
That 3rd Q fundraising report must have really stung.
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