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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:50 PM
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The Malkin/Graeme Frost Battle Heats Up
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM by Vyan
Crossposted on Truth2Power

Today the New York Times has a report out over the furor over 12-year-old Greame Frost, the young boy who gave the Democratic Radio address two weeks ago over S-CHIP.

Right wing sites have savagely assailed the use of such a young person to deliver a political message, and then attacked his family for being "too rich" to be eligible for such "lavish" benefits.

But now, that blather has been totally debunked.

As it turns out, the Frosts say, Graeme attends the private school on scholarship. The business that the critics said Mr. Frost owned was dissolved in 1999. The family’s home, in the modest Butchers Hill neighborhood of Baltimore, was bought for $55,000 in 1990 and is now worth about $260,000, according to public records.

So has that stopped the right wing from slandering a 12-year-old and his family? Not even a little.

As I outlined in detail yesterday the wingnuts have shown just how much they care about "poor children" with initial attacks against the Frost's which went this way.

The critics accused Graeme’s father, Halsey, a self-employed woodworker, of choosing not to provide insurance for his family of six, even though he owned his own business. They pointed out that Graeme attends an expensive private school. And they asserted that the family’s home had undergone extensive remodeling, and that its market value could exceed $400,000.

One critic, in an e-mail message to Graeme’s mother, Bonnie, warned: "Lie down with dogs, and expect to get fleas."

Contrary to some critics I found on DU who wished to point the finger back at Democrats and the DNC for using the Frost's in their radio address and not backing them up... the fact is that they have backed them up.

Democrats, including the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, have risen to the Frosts’ defense, saying they earn about $45,000 a year and are precisely the type of working-poor Americans that the program was intended to help.

Ms. Pelosi on Tuesday said, "I think it’s really a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against S-chip that they would attack a 12-year-old boy."

Now that it's been published that the Frost's total household income is only $45,000 - which easily meets the state cutoff of $55,220 for a family of six - capital Hill Republicans who had been planning to make considerable hay out of these "welfare scoff-laws" have decided to cool their jets.

Republicans on Capitol Hill, who were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance, have backed off.

An aide to Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, expressed relief that his office had not issued a press release criticizing the Frosts.

But cutting and running away from the issue - which Mitch McConnel's office apparently fed to the winger blogs in the first place - when you happen to be completely totally wrong doesn't seem to be Michelle Malkin's style. Instead, she's upped the attack.

A word for all the faux outraged leftists accusing conservative bloggers of waging a "smear campaign:" Asking questions and subjecting political anecdotes to scrutiny are what journalists should be doing.

When a family and Democrat political leaders drag a child down to Washington at 6 in the morning to read a script written by Senate Democrat staffers on a crusade to overturn a presidential veto, someone might have questions about the family’s claims. The newspapers don’t want to do their jobs. The vacuum is being filled.

If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.

Fight your battles like adults and stop hiding behind youngsters dragging around red wagons filled with your talking points."

Apparently Malkin never considered that "real" journalists might have already asked these questions and found there was no "there" there. (How long would it have taken to ask and discover this is a family of six living on just $45,000 a year?)

Oh well, not that such a thing as a complete lack of facts would ever stop Malkin.

But Michelle Malkin, one of the bloggers who have strongly criticized the Frosts, insisted Republicans should hold their ground and not pull punches.

"The bottom line here is that this family has considerable assets," Ms. Malkin wrote in an e-mail message. "Maryland’s S-chip program does not means-test. The refusal to do assets tests on federal health insurance programs is why federal entitlements are exploding and government keeps expanding. If Republicans don’t have the guts to hold the line, they deserve to lose their seats."

As for accusations that bloggers were unfairly attacking a 12-year-old, Ms. Malkin wrote on her blog, "If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage."

Ok, so let me get this straight - Malkin is saying that because the Frost's home has appreciated over the last sixteen years, that when the Frost's applied for S-CHIP after their children suffered traumatic brain injuries in a car crash, that the state should make them appraised their home and if it's worth "too much" they should be denied care and be forced to sell it (which might have netted between $350,000-$400,000 in a depressed housing market) before providing for their children's healthcare?

So instead of receiving S-Chip they should live on the street, or even worse yet Rent - while trying to pay for private health care out of the house money once it finally clears escrow?

Pardon my clear precise English, but are you FUCKING SHITTING ME!?

So the Republican solution for the 47 Million people without heath care many of whom had to go into bankruptcy to pay medical bills is - sell your house and go into bankruptcy?

But then of course, there's always the Mystical Magical Fairy Tax Cuts that Malkin endorsed in her original attack on the Frosts.

So executive vice-presidents’ families are now the new new poor? I support lower taxes for the Frosts, increased child credits for the Frosts, an end to the "death tax" and other encroachments on transgenerational wealth transfer, and even severe catastrophic medical-emergency aid of one form or other. But there is no reason to put more and more middle-class families on the government teat, and doing so is deeply corrosive of liberty.

Yes, there is a reason - they have no other viable option.

At only $45,000 a year you could cut their taxes to zero and still wouldn't help much with family medical expenses which could easily be above $20,000. Subtract from that private school tuition of another $40,000 and were deep into the negative figures. (Graeme and his sister are attending the schools on state sponsored scholarships which currently costs the family $500/year) Also the Frost's aren't eligible for the "Death Tax" unless you want to go completely Oliver Twist and make the Frosts children into Orphans.

That's mighty nice work for a so-called "Party of Life."

Then again, the right-wing does seem have this odd fascination with Street Urchins. I'm sure we could just ask Mark Foley for the 4-1-1 on that.

Another major problem with Malkin's plan, and the reason the Frosts haven't decided to simply sell everything they own and buy private insurance is the fact that Private Insurance Won't Have Them!

In a telephone interview, the Frosts said they had recently been rejected by three private insurance companies because of pre-existing medical conditions. "We stood up in the first place because S-chip really helped our family and we wanted to help other families," Mrs. Frost said.

The dust has begun to fly so fast on this issue that Ezra Klein has challenged Malkin to a Duel Debate on the issue.

Let’s have a good faith argument. I will debate Michelle Malkin anytime, anywhere, in any forum (save HotAir TV, which she controls), on the particulars of S-CHIP. We can set the debate at a think tank, on BloggingHeads, over IM. Hell, we can set up the podiums in the shrubbery outside my house, since that seems to be the sort of venue she naturally seeks out. And then if Malkin wants an argument, she can have one. We’ll talk S-CHIP and nothing but — nothing of the Frosts, or Congress, or her blog.

I'm expecting Malkin will be cutting and running from this challenge any second now - almost as quickly as the sprinted away from Max Blumenthal's questions about her support for internment camps at CPAC.

And isn't that such a courageous tendency for someone who took it upon herself to Publish the Frost's Home Address, so that all her wingnutty fans could give them the same stalkeratzi treatment that Vote Vets and Brian McGough have been receiving?

Classy people these aren't.

Programs like S-CHIP actually provide help to people who genuinely need it. Rather than helping the helpless through the tough times (that Repubs created) to get back on their feet, the right-wing would rather slam on it's "Right to Life" pulpit and attack Democrats for trying to help while they deny care to anyone who can't afford to pay through the nose a Right to Living.

Vyan


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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:52 PM
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1. Please, PLEASE let Malkin and the RW loonies keep beating this horse--
how much more sick and heartless can they look?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:31 PM
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5. they have yet to hit bottom, imo
Every time I think they have, a new low is hit. There is no place so low where they will not troll.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:29 AM
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21. There is no bottom.
They are like the Big Bang, creating space itself as it expanded. There is always a lower point for them to descend to.

I've been reading "they simply can't go any lower" on DU every day for 6 1/2 years. Wake up! They are creating the very idea of lowness as they go. It will never end.
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:09 AM
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24. Miltonian?
I am reminded of the statement in "Paradise Lost" where Lucifer declaims:

"And in the lowest depth, a lower depth still waiting to devour me opens wide..."

My goodness, they do define themselves, do they not?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:28 AM
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25. Wow, great reference. That's it exactly! /nt
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:10 PM
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30. ooo, Paradise Lost fan here
nice analogy!
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:12 PM
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34. Yep
I memorized that entire speech when I was in college. Milton managed to make evil far more attractive than good!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:57 PM
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2. RWers use their kids
all the time, having them march around at anti-abortion rallies. The left doesn't publish the names and address of those children.

What a souless, bitter woman Malkin must be to have her own warped ideology trump compassion and common sense.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 06:02 PM
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11. It's sick
From the NYT article: "As for accusations that bloggers were unfairly attacking a 12-year-old, Ms. Malkin wrote on her blog, “If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.

It not a matter of getting the facts on the Frosts but attacking them. Conform Cindy Sheehan! Shut up Murtha! Be quiet Brian McGough. There must be a multitude of people that have a case to make but are slammed not because they are wrong but because they are right to challenge the system.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:59 PM
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3. This is Shavio for the living if you ask me...it will further erode support
for the wingnuts!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:08 PM
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4. Tell Malkin herself how you feel
Her email is writemalkin@gmail.com and you can also write her publicist at this address and tell her how you feel about her promoting this kind of filth. JessicaF@greatertalent.com . I wouldn't show the hate she does I would just tell her how hate filled she is and how she deserves a spot in hell reserved for her kind.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:48 PM
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6. Sending emails probably won't do a thing
Malkin is also the sort of "neo" journalist cut from the Billo school of truth who does not issue any corrections. She finds out that the kids are on scholarship? Makes no difference to her. She finds out that they (the family) applied for and was rejected 3 times for private insurance because of the dreaded "pre existing medical condition" ? Makes no difference to her. She finds out that they earn under 50K a year? Makes no difference to her. She knows that only the ditto heads are reading her blogs or watching her pour out the vile on Fox Noise. Why make clarifications when your target audience likes the lies better?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:56 PM
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:13 PM
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17. I'm totally ok with that.
Sometimes they just don't make words harsh ENOUGH to describe such pure evil.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:35 PM
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:11 AM
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26. I wouldn't
fuck Malkin with Coulter's dick.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:34 PM
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31. what a gentleman you are

To decide that two despicable people "deserve" to be described as a part of my body.

Take your filthy misogyny and do something appropriate with it, will you?

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:08 PM
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32. WHY IS THIS FILTHY MISOGYNY AT D.U.

in the first place, and why is it still here??
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:32 AM
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22. Frankly, don't bother.
I would never acknowledge Malkin's existence by sending an e-mail. What - like my message will inspire an epiphany and she will suddenly become an American? Not bloody likely.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 03:10 PM
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:47 AM
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28. Let's Not..
and instead "beat" them with better ideas, greater compassion and determination to improve this country and this world.

vyan
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 03:27 PM
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8. Emails and letters protesting Malkin should be sent to the media CEOs who use her as their
front man----making money out of trying to destroy the health of a child.

I'd like to see a photo of Malkin's home, and the media CEO's home.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 04:36 PM
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9. As always, Vyan ...
... a well-researched, brilliantly articulated presentation of the facts!

:kick: and REC'D!!!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:51 PM
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10. Graeme is Reality -- Reality Confuses Wingers
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM by StClone
Why would Wingers attack a truthful little kid?

Winger behavior can be predicted with awareness of three dominating traits: selfishness (except when it comes to their genes); Authoritarianism; and the last having to do with the dominance of the Reptilian part of their brain over their behavior.

They will will lash out from the part of the brain that seems to control their behavior at the drop of the hat: the Amygdala. This Reptilian part of brain controls fight or flight. They can be cunning, scheming but watch them tear into a little kid like a Komodo Dragon would a fawn and it all makes sense.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:51 PM
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13. That's because it has a well-known liberal bias
:P
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 06:47 PM
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12. On to the front page with this,
Vyan! Thank you for compiling these incredible frw attacks on a chlid from "HotAir" tv and, of course, mitch mcconnell's vile office.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:48 PM
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14. I'm going on the record to say...
I think posting the home address and/or phone number of ANYONE, be they the Frost's, Brian McGough or Robert Novak is immature and dangerous. This serves no purpose other than to intimidate people from being part of political discussion.
It's one thing to disagree with someone on a range of issues. It's another thing to do something spiteful that could get someone injured or killed.
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everydayis911 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:14 PM
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15. Man that was scary
When I finished reading the posts I saw the Monster herself on the bottom of the page. I can't believe with all the hate talk with Rush Limpballs and Mann Coulter and of course Billo that these pieces of shit are allowed on the air. But then again Bush still being in office and committing all these crimes why should I be surprised.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:20 PM
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18. Right on. Expose Malkin by exposing her family's use of the system. She's an anchor baby as told.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:36 AM
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20. No, Malkin appears an ANGER BABY


hahahaha ANGER from the noncompassionate right.

Michelle Malkin, Dinesh DiSouza, Clarence Thomas, Armstrong Williams, Condaleeza Rice look like self hating people who act like traitors to their ethnic group.

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:34 AM
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23. They remind me of the anti-gay gay Republicans.
Wow. What a horribly screwed-up group of losers. Ick.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:55 AM
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27. Didn't Ezra dig up that quote...
...from Malkin a few years ago, describing her own struggle to obtain affordable insurance when her husband quit his job? And wouldn't it be fair for someone to look into their situation at that time -- find out how much they were making, how much their house was worth, etc?

The best thing that can happen to these people is to be hoist on their own petard. The quotes from her (in 2004 IIRC) are astonishing in how they are 180 degrees from the tune she is singing right now. But as we all know, just a simple contradictory statement is never enough to stick. If, however, it came out that she was earning $250,000 a year or something like that, then it would be really, really fun to make that public and stick it to her -- guaranteed she would react -- she's as thin-skinned as the next bully, after all.

Just a thought. Wish I had the knowledge and the time to delve into it. These people need to be taken DOWN.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:18 PM
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29. Time magazine already calls it swiftboating.
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 12:18 PM by CBHagman
See the following link. See in particular what the market -- that entity invoked with nearly religious fervor by the GOP -- would do to the Frosts.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1670210,00.html

That was just the beginning of what turned into a Category 5 hurricane on the blogosphere. Typical of the tone was what Mark Steyn wrote on National Review Online: "Bad things happen to good people, and they cause financial problems and tough choices. But, if this is the face of the 'needy' in America, then no one is not needy." Nameless commenters to conservative blogs were even harsher. "Let 'em twist in the wind and be eaten by ravens," wrote one one on Redstate.com, who was quoted in the Baltimore Sun. "Then maybe the bunch of socialist patsies will think twice."

It turns out, however, that not everything about the Frosts' life pops up on a Google search. While Graeme does attend a private school, he does so on scholarship. Halsey Frost is a self-employed woodworker; he and his wife say they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year to provide for their family of six. Their 1936 rowhouse was purchased in 1990 for $55,000. It was vacant and in a run-down neighborhood that has improved since then, in part because of people like themselves who took a chance. It is now assessed at $263,140, though under state law the value of that asset is not taken into account in determining their eligibility for SCHIP. And while they are still uninsured, they claim it is most certainly not by choice. Bonnie Frost says the last time she priced health coverage, she learned it would cost them $1,200 a month.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:41 PM
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33. Great article by Time
This should amp up the heat on the wingnuts, not that it would do any good. It certainly makes them look like jerks.
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