Gore would be wasting his time. Hillary would destroy him in the primaries

I'd love to see Al Gore as president, but the reality is that he doesn't stand a chance against the steamroller that is Hillary Clinton.
Polls have already been conducted including Al Gore's name in them. Many times, even Obama gets a higher support than Gore in these polls.

In conclusion, I think it would be a waste of time for Gore to jump in at this point.

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

that Gore can't run against Hillary because Bill could destroy his candidacy any day he'd want to -- and he would want to.

Whatever Gore's major initiative would be in the campaign, Bill could recount with a chuckle how he talked to Al about this very idea when they were in the White House together, and back then, his good friend Al did every thing he could to stop us from doing this very same proposal.

Then Al could fight with Bill while Hillary marched to the nomination.

Nope, I don't think Gore can run if Hillary is in the race.

into running with him. He made a deal to give him a co-presidency. Gore had announced he would not run because he wanted to spend more time with his family. This was shortly after his son's accident; he had been hit by an automobile and almost died.

Clinton, however, offered Gore total control over eight spheres of interest. It was important to Clinton to have someone like Gore, with an impeccable personal reputation of integrity and an overabundance of foreign policy experience, run with him. Gore's squeaky clean personal life, Clinton thought, would work tremendously to his, Clinton's benefit, offsetting somewhat the "sleaze" factor riding Clinton's coattails. And one of the chief complaints about Clinton was his lack of experience in foreign affairs (pardon that word).

When the agreement was made and the announcement made, many Democrats thought the order of the ticket should have been reversed (including this one).

Gore absolutely does not fear butting heads with the Clintons, on the campaign trail or off. I believe there is more apprehension in the Clinton camp that Gore could dethrone "the inevitable."

Sam

I'd high-five you ... but its hard to do that from here.

for a running mate. We campaigned for Al when he ran in '88. We gave serious consideration to voting for Perot, but Al was the clincher for us.

if he won and I live in Alaska, one of the reddest states around. Hillary Clinton has zero supporters in the range of my hearing here. Even one of the folks I know who wants to see a woman in the white house before she dies more than anything doesn't care for it being her. we can all make blanket statements. We can all show anecdotal stuff. I want Gore. I hope he runs. I think, at this point, with his honors, he could wipe up the floor with everyone. IMHO.

and people who aren't already his fans. He tends to come off as a bit pompous, even though I don't think that's his innate personality. Interestingly, in my own case, I really didn't think of him that way when I was still a republican and voted for Bush eight years ago. As Gore's aged, however, he just gives off this vibe that wasn't there when he was a bit younger, imo.

I would vote for him, because I think the war and the environment are the two most pressing issues. Third would be healthcare.

conversations with republicans who have voluntarily told me that they think he is our only chance at getting our democracy back. I live in a very red area and do not talk politics without knowing someone is dem. I count most conservative Republicans as undecideds right now given their candidates to date.

I think we will have to wait and see if he decides to run. I am hoping he will.

Say Gore wins the Nobel Award. He is then known world wide as the man to look too about Global Warming. This is Gore's ONE issue and that is what he will be doing for years to come....All that attention.....Now say he decides to jump into the race and HRC beats him for the nomination. Gore would not be remembered for his Nobel but the man that lost to HRC....Gore will not take that chance whether he wins or loses the Nobel Award.....
Gore has to fire, and no passion to be president. Gore has no desire and if you do not want to be president then why even run. I think Gore does not want to be president.....Gore's passion is Global Warming and how to conbat its effects.....

Lets all get behind the nomination of our party....

Ben David

and Al just won the prize.

Losing to Hillary in the primary is not significant compared to winning the Nobel Peace prize. Do you honestly believe that Gore would be concerned about his reputation if he didn't get the nomination? How ridiculous.

Gore's passions can be more effectively realized as president. Frankly, I'd prefer a candidate who goal isn't just to be president.

Steamroller,my ass.

:sarcasm:

You do understand, I hope, that Gore is not an announced candidate.

If he were to announce, the polls you cite would be worthless.

did it. But I did it anyway.

Good luck with that fantasy.

It would be 'Hillary who?' if Gore got in.

it would be Vice President H. Clinton. Then, in 8 years, the presidency would be hers.

I heard some TV talkers saying it and couldn't believe how stupid they were. I figured this poster was making fun of them too. Alas!

The Republicans are trembling in their boots at the notion of Al Gore, and licking their lips over the idea of Hillary as nominee.

You are completely wrong.

If Al were to join the race, it would be very hard for me to vote against him.

You do realize that most polls don't include him? You realize that many of us would drop our current candidate and switch to Gore if he entered the race? I support Obama and Edwards, but would switch to Gore in a second.

Gore is the alternative that many of us Obama/Edwards supporters have been wanting. I imagine it's the same for Kucinich, Richardson, and Biden supporters. Certainly not all will switch, but many will.

You said i was wrong based on your own analyis, not based on anything from the graph itself. How does the graph data prove me wrong?

just because he is NOT a candidate. But if he declares, many of those who didn't support him in polls as a non-candidate will support him.

It's not rocket science.

Remember when Dean was the huge frontrunner around this time last primary? Polls that included Hillary, had her beating Dean by a margin of nearly 3 to 1.

one of these candidtates is not like the others, in that he's not even a candidate. We'll have "evidence" at the DNC convention. Until then, we're all speculating, including the people who made and voted in this poll.

for Gore. I'm not the only one by a long shot.

WHO ISN'T EVEN RUNNING is one of the top four contenders? Step back a moment and think about that. Your premise is horribly flawed.

Gore doesn't want it bad enough to wrest the nomination away from her--that's pretty clear.

I gave up on the Clintons when Bill started publicly hanging out with Daddy Bush.

They're all cut from the same cloth. If the Repugs let Hil have a crack at the White House for awhile, it won't make much difference. Especially because they know she won't make any big changes, and will have an uphill battle cleaning up W's mess. They can blame her then swoop in in 2010, 2012, and beyond, and grab it all back.

Especially if they use their electronic voting machines and other election stealing tactics, which they can do anytime. Will be great for them to have "reason" to blame the Dems, making any steal plausible.

Only hope is if Hillary grows a spine.

I think the majority of Democrats don't want Al again, as the polls suggest.

What the devil makes you think so?

There are several primary polls floating around DU that include Gore. I don't think he's been above 16% in any of them. His support isn't going to magically triple if he announces.

The psychology of perceived choice in polling is a major factor in results.

For instance, McDonald's had a double cheeseburger (if you ordered "off menu") for many years,
however only a fraction of one percent of customers ever ordered it. They didn't even think to
ask if it was available, even though throwing an extra patty on the always-existing regular
cheeseburger isn't a big stretch of the imagination. The moment the item was added to the menu,
orders for it skyrocketed. Adding it to the menu consciously gave the customer an added choice.

The fact Gore shows up *at all* is a major indicator for how strong support is for his candidacy.

Comparing her to something that was ordered by less than 1% of eaters is not a strong analogy.

My point is that Gore showing up at ALL in polls is itself a major indicator. Clinton is my last choice of all the nominees and I'm a female Democrat of long-standing plus I like her husband.

It's just getting close to Nobel Friday and you know the only chance Hillary has is if Gore doesn't enter, so you're
taking the opportunity to demean him and prop up your candidate.

That said, I'm not a Hillary basher, but I know statistical analysis and let's just say, your snark showed a wish to
spin the indicators to your preferred belief.

He beat her in two state polls without
even being a candidate. Not to mention
she's spent millions campaigning already.
Al just needs to say the word and he's off
to the #1 spot.

Not to mention that Gore beats her in Michigan by a tiny margin only.
In polls including gore in NH and Florida, for example, Hillary does much better than Gore. In NY Gore gets 7% in the latest Quinnipiac against Hil's 40+.
In Nevada it's 34%-8% in favor of Hillary according to a mid-August poll by Research 2000: http://www.pollster.com/08-NV-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

In South Carolina Hillary leads him comfortably as well as of Aug. 20-24 according to a poll:
http://www.pollster.com/08-SC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

And may I remind you, he's not a candidate and he
hasn't been included on most polls.

Link please

speaking for myself. i dont care for anyone in the primary except kucinich and he wont win.
i would be enthusiastic for gore though.

i dont think im an isolated case.

If you mean lie about a candidate and grandstand and have every position on an issue just for backup later, I guess you'd have a point.

However, Al would stomp back so hard on Clinton that it would get real, real ugly.

Splat!

polls conducted based on a hypothetical (would you vote for Gore if he ran) and polls based on who's actually running. My guess is that if Gore does indeed jump in, the polls will skew much farther toward him.

The only way he could beat Hillary Clinton is to get Hillary Clinton's supporters to abandon her and support him...Hillary is polling anywhere between 40% - 50%... That's means he would have to get eighty to over one hundred percent, which is mathematically impossible, of the votes from candidates that now oppose her...

He could raise $30M this Q and be in the 20's in polling within a month. The organization on the ground for Iowa would be the most difficult task but I think he would find defectors from all the other campaigns.

The Clintons do not win by underestimating their opponents. If Gore enters, Hillary knows she is in for a big fight.

turn out that way, even after months of supporters BEGGING him to jump in.

Interesting.....:eyes:

eom

seeking a savior, betting that this savior will come up with a bazillion dollars, organization, poll numbers, and support overnight--all he has to do is say the word, and it's his! Doesn't work that way. Not saying that Gore couldn't win the nomination, but just like Rudy Giuliani didn't step aside for Thompson, Hillary won't step aside from Gore. And hillary's been working very, very hard on winning--she has the "fire in the belly" that I doubt Gore has. Thompson obviously doesn't have it either, and his lackluster fundraising and falling poll numbers (Rasmussen) bear this out.

Right now, its all academic.

But my previous post is a prediction I stand by.

The Gore-Gore Girls (and Boys) are under the (mistaken) impression that if Gore were to jump in (at this late stage) he would win in a landslide. Why I think they believe that even Republicans will switch over and vote for him.:shrug:



kick and recommend.

He isn't polling well because * gasp * he isn't running ... yet.

As my lawyer friends would holler "facts not in evidence."

* Niels Bohr

But Newton's First Law Of Motion applies....

"An object in motion remains in motion..."

booya

Every poll, democratic and national, would discourage Gore from running.

But he has become inhuman, some symbol of hope to progressives, and there is no arguing logic.

I find it ironic, as someone pointed out recently, since Gore was the "DLC and no better than Bush" candidate to the purists in 2000 who voted for Nader as "protest". Now he is deified. Probably because he isn't running and has stopped being a politician. Which is what he would be back to being the moment he entered the race. He is a fantasy candidate.

He isn't stupid and he doesn't dismiss all the polls even if his believers do. Why should he run and get beat, when he can be admired and do good work outside of politics, now?

Flame away, I never got the Gore worship thing and don't care. :P

And I happen to very much like both Gore AND Clinton. But then, I don't think the DLC is the Great Satan either, but rather that our party needs both its left and right/centrist wings.

What I don't understand is how so many people think Gore is some sort of leftist savior. Yeah, he was against the war. Well whoop-de-doo. So was Pat Buchanan. The only time I ever heard anyone (I think it was George Stephanopolis, but my memory could be bad) try to pin down Gore on what we should do now, he said he wouldn't pull out. In fact, I thought he sounded an awful lot like Hillary Clinton. Which should surprise no one.

I could easily support Gore if he decides to run. He's a good man. But he's the same man who ran in 2000, and if he runs, I'm sure the left will hate him just as much as they did eight years ago.

I'm an avid Gore fan, and also gave him that lukewarm vote back in 2000. Since then I've seen what crass opportunism can do to a country in just a few short years. My lukewarm support for Gore turned starting back at Katrina, with his unbroadcast deeds that saved 100's in NOLA. I watched his MLK speech in 2006, which inspired me with hope that someone ... someone ... was getting the same read as I and others here about what was happening to our country. I saw AIT and realized that here was a man with vision and the dedication to do what he can to avert the global crisis, and I read TAOR this past spring which clinched it for me. The man is all about integrity. The only presidential skill he lacks is wiliness, and if he chose HRC as his VP, he's have all the bases covered (and I mean that in a good way about Hillary Clinton).

I disagree with you in a big way.

I put the odds of Gore jumping in about the same as a meteor destroying the earth in the next 7 days.

Eighty-one percent have a favorable opinion of Clinton, compared with a 70% favorable rating for Obama and 69% for Edwards. Clinton's higher favorable rating does not merely reflect the fact that she is better known than Obama or Edwards, since her net favorable rating (which excludes those without an opinion and is calculated by subtracting the percent unfavorable from the percent favorable) also surpasses those of her chief rivals by double digits.


http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28957&pg=1

That's Hilarious!

ANYONE who believes that Gallup poll is a sucker of major proportions.

Ask around for yourself and see what answers that you get.

Why don't you provide me with a published survey that shows fundamentally different results...


You can't

GAME

SET

MATCH

CRICKETS


:rofl:

Thanks for the laugh! :hi:

The nomination and the presidency are Gore's for the asking. I doubt that he will- but if he did Hillary's support would dry up and blow away.

I don't know of a single person IRL who supports her- some may begrudgingly vote for her, but many others wouldn't even consider it.

Senator Clinton is a formidable opponent, granted. But a Democratic primary or caucus voter -- as opposed to the general electoral pool of a general November election -- is a VERY motivated voter, and Gore's appeal among that group is significant enough to reshuffle the order of at least the first 4 slots, including HClinton's.

A lot of county Democratic officials would be delighted if Gore headed the ticket in their districts. I feel the greatest shift would be among those people.

I think Clinton would still fight for the nomination, but might find herself in a decidedly weaker position if Al Gore decides he wants the job.

would have a very favorable wind at his back.

It would be far more difficult for other candidates, including Clinton, to raise last-quarter funds going into the winter caucus in Iowa and the primary in New Hampshire.

That tightens Iowa even tighter than it is now, and it may tilt NH to Gore, as he has won there before over Senator Bradley and remains popular.

Clinton's lead is at least as precarious as any other frontrunner's lead in the long weeks before first votes are cast. She knows Obama is well funded and popular. She knows Edwards' Iowa organization is superb. She knows Dodd could walk into the White House any day and begin as President. She knows Joe Biden is the foreign policy sage of the field. She knows Richardson (from their days in her husband's administration) is wildly competent. She knows that if Kucinich is given a forum he can embarrass her as a "compromised Democrat." And I doubt if she has any idea how to respond to Gravel.

Gore, were he to jump into the race, would become the center of gravity in a debate forum with the other candidates. I don't believe HClinton can outflank him if he decides he wants the job.

If Al Gore actually joined the race ....

He would SWAMP her ......

But he wont jump in .....

Nuff said .....

Eighty-one percent(of Democrats) have a favorable opinion of Clinton, compared with a 70% favorable rating for Obama and 69% for Edwards. Clinton's higher favorable rating does not merely reflect the fact that she is better known than Obama or Edwards, since her net favorable rating (which excludes those without an opinion and is calculated by subtracting the percent unfavorable from the percent favorable) also surpasses those of her chief rivals by double digits.


http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28957&pg=1

She is consistently polling in the 40% -50% range:



http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

But one thing's true: Al Gore has more integrity and character than HRC or the rest of her Clintonian DLC will achieve in their lifetimes.

Yes, aren't we proud that HRC swaggers and spews war-mongering testosterone? We have at true, American Iron Maiden, remake in the image of Margaret Thatcher. :(

It's not even 7:30 in the morning. Al hasn't even had a chance to lay his head on his pillow and you come up with this bullshit.

Who are you really?

:rofl:

He'll drop in the polls! Without running, he's running second, so how is that gonna work?

-Hoot

I see a cabinet position for him, but President?
There are no second acts in American politics.

Tricky Dick had a second act in politics. Al will run if he wants to and would easily win. Hillary is afraid of Al. She was never worried about Obama.

because he isn't running! Geez, that will all change the day he gets in. He's the steamroller.

My gut told me 911 was fishy on the day it happened.
My gut told me there weren't any WMD in Iraq.
My gut told me Al would win the Nobel.
And my gut tells me Al will skate into the WH virtually unopposed.

would be too overwhelming. Everytime Al running is discussed everyone says they would go out into the streets to fight for Gore. We all know Hillary will do corporate and big business bidding. Gore already won he now needs to take back what is his.

in his Nobel prize story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/12/nobel.gore/index.html

"A source involved in Gore's past political runs told CNN that he definitely has the ambition to use the peace prize as a springboard to run for president.

"But he will not run, because he won't take on the political machine assembled by Sen. Hillary Clinton, said the source. If the senator from New York had faltered at all, Gore would take a serious look at entering the race, the source said. But Gore has calculated that Clinton is unstoppable, according to the source."

yeah, you should've.

But no matter what, I'm thrilled for Al Gore.

by any chance?

These statements are so transparent.

If Al Gore would take on the Bush* cabal, he would not hesitate to take on the so-called Clinton machine.

If the truth were told, I believe there is more concern in the Clinton camp that Gore might challenge Hillary than there is in the Gore camp regarding Hillary's being in the race. Her record of "experience" that she constantly campaigns on would go down the bathtub drain with a HUGE sucking sound should Gore enter the race.

Many prominent large Democratic contributors openly said they might possibly host a dinner for this candidate or that one, but if Gore entered the race, all bets were off and they would unequivocally support Gore. Many Democrats, and this was reiterated this week by Bill Press on MSNBC, have not decided which candidate they will support because "they are waiting for Gore." Press further stated "I hear this everyday."

If Gore decides to enter the 2008 race, he will not give a second thought as to who else might be running because he knows he truly has no competition. There is not one candidate currently in the race on either side who has the judgment, credentials and experience to compete with Gore. Not one.

He will be our victorious peace candidate in 2008.

People committed currently to other candidates might not stay in their current positions.

Keep on dreamin'...

would destroy what ever lead she has.

If he were to enter the race, those polls will change significantly.

Okay people, this was BEFORE he won the Noble Peace Prize.

N.H. poll puts Gore over Clinton
By Ralph Z. Hallow
June 27, 2007
ONLINE EXCLUSIVE / 3:13 p.m.

Former Vice President Al Gore is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's worst nightmare in the nation"s first primary, a new poll shows.

If Mr. Gore got into the 2008 presidential nomination contest, he would edge out Mrs. Clinton in New Hampshire 32 percent to 26 percent and defeat the rest of the Democratic contenders, says a 7NEWS-Suffolk University poll of likely voters.

"Gore is the only Democrat, including Hillary, who can instantly melt the field," said David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, which conducted the survey.

contingent is scared shitless.