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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:17 PM
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Second National poll puts Hillary at >=50%...leads Obama by 32
Opinion Dynamics

Hillary 50
Obama 18
Edwards 11

Some other findings

More people think Hillary is "very" qualifed than any other contender...Democrat or Republican. 47% say Hillary is "very" qualified, followed by McCain at 34%, Guiliani at 32%, Obama at 23%

Among their party faithful, 73 percent of Democrats think Clinton is "very" qualified, compared to substantially fewer — 44 percent of Republicans — that say the same of both McCain and Giuliani.

61 percent of Democrats believe Clinton will be the next president, 25 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of independents believe the same

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/101107_rls_2008_web.pdf
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:18 PM
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1. ok, so at least for this past week, the first poll was not an outlier.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:20 PM
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2. and it is a huge spread for anyone to catch up on.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:20 PM
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3. Why should we even bother with the primaries
America, MSM, the repukes, and even DU have given the nomination the Hillary, so why bother with the primaries.

Who ever is leading in the repuke polls face off with Hillary, and to hell with the rest of them.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:30 PM
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6. So soon we forget, eh?
www.scvolunteersfordean.com/vo/dean--6areasons-december21.pdf -
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:46 PM
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12. Wow such an original thought. Never heard that before
:rofl:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:23 PM
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4. Wow, they should just cancel the primaries.
There's no point in even voting.

:thumbsup:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:34 PM
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8. Wow never heard that line before. Sooo original
:eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:11 PM
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49. Really?
Thanks!
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:24 PM
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5. This is a FOX poll. Not accurate at all. Just like ABC/WP.
Don't pay attention to Fox News, ABC/WashPost, and Gallup. These three polls are the worst in the business.
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:32 PM
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7. So the fact that these polls all show the same results...
...must mean they're in cahoots with one another, right?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:54 PM
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13. Is Every Single Poll Flawed In The Same Direction?
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm


If all the polls were flawed the results would be random... They all woudn't show the same thing... That defies the laws of science...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:36 PM
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9. Have you been to the President Muskie Presidential Library yet?
I think it's in Maine. Wow, he kicked some bootie in national polls in the fall of '67.

:sarcasm:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:40 PM
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10. I'm guessing...
That Hillary will not break down in tears on the campaign trail...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:55 PM
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14. More Lilkely It Will Be One Of Her Opponents
DSB
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:45 PM
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11. That is some interesting stuff
No wonder the Hillary Hate is so thick in here today
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:01 PM
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15. I Have Never Seen Anything Like This In Thirty Years Of Close Poll Watching
eom
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:14 PM
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17. Would you clarify a bit.Never seen exactly what?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:22 PM
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20. A Candidate With A Lead This Large
A majority of the vote in a multi-candidate field...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:14 PM
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16. National polls are meaningless attempts to influence public opinion
- Aside from being laughably inaccurate, they have no bearing whatsoever on the electoral college.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:17 PM
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18. yup..yup..whatever comforts you and gets you through the day
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:28 PM
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23. You can be a sucker and believe them if you want
Seems that a lot of DUers do- n matter how absurd the "results" are.

For instance, you can believe that over 70% of Americans believe that angels are watching over them! Same sort of deal.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:33 PM
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25. That Doesn't Have Anything To Do With Anything
"For instance, you can believe that over 70% of Americans believe that angels are watching over them! Same sort of deal."

If I tell you I believe I can crap diamonds than I believe I can crap diamonds...It has nothing to do whether I can crap diamonds or not...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:37 PM
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28. Well the angel thing is a coping mechanism , just like your denial
same..same..
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:05 PM
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42. The angel deal was a Gallup poll
Just one of many that make people who understand how they work laugh out loud.

Only a serious sucker would believe that non-sense. Unfortunately, many people are just that suckers.

One of many reasons why this country is in the sorry shape it's in.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:21 PM
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19. You're A Smart Man
How can every poll be flawed in the same direction and showing, essentially, the same results?

Would you deny that one would expect the results to be random if all the polls are flawed?

Would you deny that the more polls you have the more robust your results?

Oh, and the only state by state poll shows Hillary Clinton is the only Democrat to get over 270 EC votes:
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:27 PM
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22. Yes, I saw that state by state poll, and if you think those early polls mean Hillary WILL get 270
you're misinterpreting that state by state poll. Everything is name ID, and a potential scenario way ahead of the actual vote. The nominees haven't been determined yet. We're still a year from the general.

No way Hillary gets to 270.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:30 PM
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24. Polls Have More Predictive Values Than Your Hunches
Sorry...
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:22 PM
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21. Woot!
Not!
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:33 PM
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26. Double edged sword...
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 04:34 PM by cobalt1999
On one hand, that is a fantastic lead, much more than I can remember in any campaign.

On the other hand, how much higher can she go? Won't that lead to the MSM to start concluding she is "slipping" and the other candidates have the momentum?

It's almost as if she is peaking too high, too soon. She'll have to use some interesting campaign tactics to hold onto that lead and do it in a way that doesn't give the impression that the country is moving away from her.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:36 PM
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27. Nah
This reminds me of Clinton's ratings during impeachment...The more the Pugs attacked him the higher his approval ratings went...By the time he left office he had the highest approval ratings of any president since WW ll...
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:39 PM
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29. I don't doubt she's already got a strategy to handle this lead.
Holding all through the primaries would be historic though. The others are going to have to band together and go after her big time from here on out. She's going to be attacked more than ever now, so it'll be interesting to see if she has the same climb in the polls as her husband did.

I wouldn't count her out that's for sure.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:41 PM
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30. If They Attack Her They Look Desperate Because It Will Look Like They Are Responding To Their Low
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 04:43 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Poll Numbers...
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:45 PM
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31. Yes, but what other choice do they have?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:05 PM
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43. Going negative won't help, though.
She's a polarizing person, and she has an 88% approval rating among Democrats. If you're Obama and Edwards and you try to make it a referendum on Hillary Clinton, you will not win.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:04 PM
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40. I've heard a lot of talk that Hillary is "peaking" here.
That might be true, but a peak usually requires a downturn at some point. I'd say the race is drawing to a close, really. Obama probably peaked around June, and Edwards was a flatline. Everyone else? Whatevers.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:34 PM
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48. Could be, but 50% is an extremely high percentage to maintain.
Although I wouldn't put it past her campaign to do it.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:47 PM
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32. Oh dear that's why the Obama supporters on the DU
are messing their pants and posting the hate messages again.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:59 PM
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35. Yes.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 05:31 PM
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33. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN ALL THE MEDIA DOES IS HILLARY TALK
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 05:51 PM
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34. Hey Big D this is fabulous isn't it? WooHoo Go Hillary.
Open up the PDF file if you want all the amazing details
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:00 PM
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36. I Like The Part Where 44% Think She'll Be The Next Pres As Opposed To 12% For Rude(e)
eom
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:27 PM
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45. I know it's early, but what else could a front runner ask for?
She was just interviewed by Keith Olbermann and she just has "IT"

There is no denying
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lips Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:33 PM
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46. If your comparing Hilary to the Stephen King character...
I agree :bounce:
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:02 PM
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38. What I'm wondering is why there's so much Obama talk, and why he has so much money,
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 07:02 PM by Rhythm and Blue
despite having less than a fifth of the Democratic vote. Must be the favored MSM/corporate candidate, eh?

(I shouldn't troll like that)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:04 PM
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41. Obama Is Very Popular With The Intellectual Elites
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 07:05 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
By themselves they can not elect a president or presidential nominee..
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:06 PM
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44. Oh, I know.
Just being a brat.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:52 AM
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51. There's Still Room On The Bus
DSB
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:01 PM
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37. She's breaking 50 now? Jesus.
And Obama's fallen below the 20 mark. She's wrapping it up.

I don't like that only 61% of Dems and 45% of indies think she'll be the next president, but hopefully that'll go up as time goes on. 25% of Reps think so, and I like that; the more demoralized they are the better.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:03 PM
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39. Still a national poll, and the race in Iowa is close.
Although current trends show her pulling away slowly in Iowa as well.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:33 PM
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47. I do believe she is holding back a bit in Iowa. She wants to stay
near the top but not go all out yet. It is still too early for that

She has only spent half the money as Obama in Iowa

She and her staff are following their strategy and it is working perfectly
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:39 PM
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50. Spoken like a candidate thats going to lose in January. nt
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