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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:24 PM
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Poll shows Gore entry might help Clinton
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/poll-shows-gore-entry-might-help-clinton-2007-10-13.html

A new poll shows former Vice President Al Gore’s entry into the Democratic presidential race might not have such a large impact on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) after all. In fact, it might help to further solidify her frontrunner status.

The InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll, which was conducted nationwide Friday evening after Gore was named a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on climate change, shows Gore taking heavily from undecided voters and the other candidates – not Clinton.

Clinton registers 43 percent in the Gore-inclusive poll, which is a similar number to her take in polls without Gore. And her 20-30 point lead holds steady, as Gore takes second place with 15 percent, while Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.) take 13 percent and 10 percent, respectively.

Gore has not ruled out a presidential bid but has not provided a strong indication that he will run either.

“The bottom line is that a Gore candidacy, at this stage, seems unlikely given the fact that the best thing that can happen to Hillary Clinton is another man, even one with a Nobel Prize, getting into the race and dividing up the anti-Clinton vote rather than taking votes away from her,” InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery said in the Southern Political Report.

Towery noted that Gore largely took from the other male candidates when he was included in much of the early polling on the race as well, and that the Nobel Prize has not changed that.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:30 PM
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1. Interesting. Many have assumed that Gore's votes would draw directly from Hillary
But that doesn't seem to be the case.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:31 PM
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2. Sweet Jesus
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 08:32 PM by MannyGoldstein
The Hillarites are a scream - I can just see what's next, "Sun exploding into a supernova and evaporating all life on Earth will help Hillary"

:rofl:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:32 PM
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3. LOL
:rofl:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:33 PM
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4. I'm sorry, but this is bs.
I don't think Dem primary voters are going to vote based on gender, for one.


I thnk Dem primary voters would rally around Gore at the moment he announced.


I don't know about the validity of this poll, I suspect it flawed, but I do know the suggestion that Clinton would maintain a lead for the simple fact that she's female is rediculous.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:34 PM
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5. They REALLY Don't Want To Encourage Al To Enter Race
This poll is FULL OF SHIT.

I know more than a handful of people who would gladly vote for Mr. Gore in the primary, and are not at all enthused about the prospect of Hillary being the nominee.

Do you really think that if Hillary had won the Nobel Peace Prize(Yeah....Right!!), that there would have been WALL TO WALL Posts on DU about it, like there was yesterday for Al? Hardly!

Gore is the ONLY person who would have a chance against Hillary, and to even suggest that his entry would be a good thing for her, is ridiculous. If Gore doesn't enter, Hillary is the nominee. It's that simple. If his entry is something which would help her, then she's truly unbeatable, because there is nobody in the current field who is going to beat her for the nomination.

PLEASE RUN MR. GORE!!!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:43 PM
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6. As much as I like Gore - would not vote for him.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:51 PM
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8. That's exactly how I feel about Clinton.
I don't have anything against her, but I don't have anything for her either.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:48 PM
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7. You're right about the poll results. Bullshit.
And if Hillary had won the Nobel, then she would de fact be a different person than she actually is. I would vote for a candidate who had done things worthy of the Nobel.

The Establishment doesn't want Al. They do want Hillary. All this nonsense has to be viewed through that simple filter.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:02 PM
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9. exactly
it has gotten to the point where there just is no actual "news." The report of a poll saying this or that is as likely to be a fabrication as not. Nobody really fact-checks anything. They might as well publish something saying Batboy is Hillary's love child with Rush Limbaugh. it would be no more nor less worthy of notice.

Cripes, even the exit polls in the last two elections were wrong, because the "reality" of the Diebold voting machines proved them to be.

The cabal figured out it could not get another flunky from the pug ranks elected, so it settled for the least objectionable of the dem candidates and is anointing her. Period. End of discussion.

It's going to take a new American Revolution to change that.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:08 PM
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10. Seems like a perfectly sensible poll. Why is it so funny?
If Gore is the anti-Hillary, why is it comical to think he would draw mostly from candidates other than Hillary?

And in a nine-way race with a front-runner, why is it comical that further dividing the vote would benefit the front-runner?

It seems like pretty normal stuff.

I guess what I'm asking is, if this poll is facially absurd, what do people think the real numbers should be?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:35 PM
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16. Check post #12 below...and check charlie's research on this link...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:13 PM
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11. Well, I personally can't wait to find out if that's true.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:16 PM
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12. Matt Towery was the Chairman of Newt Gingrich's PAC:
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 09:26 PM by Junkdrawer
Mr. Towery served as the chairman of former Speaker Newt Gingrich's political organization from 1992 until Gingrich left Congress. He is a former Georgia state representative, the author of several books and currently heads the polling and political information firm InsiderAdvantage.

http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Matt%20Towery

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:16 PM
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14. And it gets better...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:16 PM
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13. Yeah, my local pizza place is number one in it's latest consumer poll too. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:24 PM
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15. So if he DOESN'T enter the race that might HURT Hillary.
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 09:25 PM by jenmito
Got it. Thanks. :hi:
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:59 PM
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17. Though saddened by the fact........
that I now believe Gore will not run in 2008, I do not believe that Gore's latent support would not eclipse Hillary. I believe that the vast majority of dems would vote for Gore, should he enter the race - all polls to the contrary aside. As I have said before, I believe that Hillary is polarizing, but I will work and vote for her if she becomes the nominee. But, she is definitely not my choice.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:04 PM
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18. That makes sense. Clinton supporters are the base
and it's not that they have anything against Gore, but they tend to fall in line as far as whose "turn" it is. I can't picture Clinton supporters turning around and supporting Gore. The Gore love is an internet phenomenon.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:44 PM
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19. Whose "turn" it is? So then you're saying, it's a "royal lineage" kind of thing?
Thanks for the American history lesson.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:47 PM
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20. This is a Republican poll
The pollster is a well-known Republican. His polls are ok for Georgia, but crap for anything else.
It's results are somewhat consistent with previous results, but I'd wait for a more reliable poll before making any conclusions based on this.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:55 PM
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21. Damn, I'm good
Called it. :P
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:06 PM
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22. Yes, you did
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