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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:29 AM
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On Tweety's Sunday Show, NY Mag's John Helleman says Gore will endorse Barack Obama in six weeks
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 09:29 AM by flpoljunkie
Helleman further ads that "the one person he won't endorse is Hillary Clinton."

Elizabeth Bumiller agrees with John Helleman.

Anne Kornblut and David Yepsen predict that Gore won't endorse anyone.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:29 AM
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1. uh oh
:popcorn:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:37 AM
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4. WOW, why would Gore wait six weeks?
Or is this another pundit conflaguration to boost BO's limping campaign?

Gore has nothing in common with Obama for one thing. So, why would he be a future endorser?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:43 AM
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6. "Gore has nothing in common with Obama"
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Are you saying he should just get in line and support Hillary; who voted for the Iraq war and hasn't proposed shit in regards to global warming? Or is it that they both "worked" in Bill's administration? Which one is it?



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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:49 AM
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8. Gore doesn't support pollution..
Obama does..

Sure, when Hillary is elected she'll give Gore free reign over the EPA, DEM, FEMA, Clean Air, Clean Water.. etc.

Obama better worry about re-election to the Senate after he's passed over for the Top Job.

Get out there and start campaigning fella. Your boy has hit the skids.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:23 PM
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20. Al's smart enough to know that Hillary has zero chance of winning.
He's not counting on anything from Hillary, so I'm not worried about that.

And, "Obama supports pollution" is new low, even for you Tellurian.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:50 PM
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29. Gore may just be incensed enough to come out and rebuke these statements publicly..
They have alot of nerve putting words in Gore's mouth and presume to speak for him in a cowed effort to boost Obama's poll numbers.

Besides Obama's Sponsoring S. 957 Clean Coal Bill and the backlash from the World stating; There is NO such thing as Clean Coal.

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/funds/investing/10362048.html

Here is an article explaining how this isn't the first time Obama's been caught with his pants down...as he subsequently reverses his decision because of dire environmental concerns brought to light by environmental experts surprised at his actions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062301424_pf.html

an aside:

My observation of Obama supporters is they automatically assume the high ground; when I've never heard of anyone anywhere giving them them that permission or the authority to assume such.

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:32 AM
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2. I don't believe he will endorse anyone.
Why would he? He needs to remain neutral in order to further his current agenda.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:02 PM
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31. I tend to agree. The last person he endorsed lost. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:33 AM
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3. Wonder if he has inside info, or he's just talking out his ass? Strategically, it would be dumb for
Gore to endorse anyone. Far better to roll with the process (assuming he does not run himself), encourage everyone to vote for their candidate of their choice, and at the end of it all, heartily endorse the NOMINEE. Whosover that person might be.

To endorse now--no matter which candidate he chooses, mind you-- is to run a risk of making a wrong judgment. He might also piss off those who want him to run but don't like his choice.

I see it as fraught with danger. But who knows? It's up to him.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:54 AM
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15. So was he being dumb in 2004 when he endorsed Dean?
I'm not sure what danger is in it. If he doesn't run this time, he'll probably never run again, so why would he care about pissing off a few people?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:56 AM
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19. Well, let's put the possibility of a 2008 endorsement against that backdrop, why don't we?
He got it wrong that last time, didn't he? It wouldn't do well if he got it wrong again, it would call into question his judgment, and could be pointed to by those who don't share his environmental concerns. A weak spot he doesn't NEED to display.

Sure, he can endorse, if he wants to, but he doesn't NEED to. And given his environmental platform on the world stage, and Obama's some-say-curious associations with the coal industry, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901503.html specifically the not-too-environmentally-friendly liquefaction process (can't blame him, it is a STATE thing, all politics is local, and there's a shitload of energy potential in those IL reserves, even if they aren't very 'green'), well, it's the first thing I thought of, so you can be sure that the right would hop on it, too.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "pissing people off." It has everything to do, though, with playing a continued important role on the world stage, AND having the backing of the administration in power. The ENTHUSIASTIC backing, which is easily gained when one wasn't working against the admistration's principal prior to the election. It's simply calculating the odds, and playing to strength.

Al Gore has opportunities available to him, if he wants them, within the next administration, whosoever may get the nod--be it Edwards, Obama, Clinton or a player to be named later. UN ambassador, for example. Special Envoy on Global Warming and Climate issues. There are a host of diplomatic needs he could fill, easily. And well.

But you don't get those opportunities if you back the wrong horse. Politicians do have long memories.

If I were him, I'd stay above the fray and encourage everyone to vote, and then back the winner, no matter who, with help on the campaign trail. But that's me. YMMV.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:42 PM
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22. How do you get an endorsemet "wrong"?
It's not a prediction - it's an expression of who one likes best. He liked Dean best.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:39 PM
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25. Well, we can play semantic games all day here. In politics, you CAN get an endorsement
"wrong." When you back the "wrong" horse, it can influence your opportunities down the line. If you back the "right" horse, you can end up getting rewarded for it. And as I said, once burned, twice shy.

But then, some truths are self-evident. The people who wind up with cabinet positions and political ambassadorships aren't the people who endorsed an opponent of the person who wins the election, after all. They're the ones that endorsed the winner of the contest. Political appointees are not rewarded because they're nice guys, but because they brought something--cash, votes, or both--to the table.

No, it's not a 'prediction.' But often as not, it's a strategic decision, an 'investment,' if you will, against a future return.

If the Vice President is uninterested in 'future returns' then he'll endorse free of those sorts of considerations. Otherwise, he'll hold back, because it is just way too soon to tell who will win this race. About all we know at this stage is that the Democratic field has the strong advantage, but beyond that, who knows?

I'm guessing he'll do the latter, hold back and endorse in the general, but I don't claim any inside knowledge.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:39 PM
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26. Aplogies for the triple click. nt
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:43 PM by MADem
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:42 PM
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27. Iffy connection today. nt
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:44 PM by MADem
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:42 PM
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28. I really hate when this happens!!! nt
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:45 PM by MADem
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:43 AM
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5. What's six weeks from now? Anyone? Anyone?
Think hard!
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:48 AM
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7. Isn't that the opening day of deer season?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:41 AM
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11. Thanksgiving?
:shrug:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:30 PM
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32. I've spent the day trying to figure out the answer to your question!
Have mercy and let us know what's six weeks from now!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:20 AM
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9. Please Gore, endorse Obama! He's the best candidate we have, by far!
He will be the great president you weren't allowed to be.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:26 AM
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10. Who cares what those idiots say it doesn't mean it's true
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:44 AM
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12. nope. he will endorse edwards .
betcha
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:51 AM
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13. He has nothing to lose by endorsing Obama
If Obama wins, he can take credit for helping him overcome enormous odds. If Obama loses, it was because Hillary was just too strong.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:53 AM
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14. Didn't watch the program. Were these predictions based from sources
close to Gore or the pundits' individual predictions?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:59 AM
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16. Odd....since Helleman wrote that incredible article "Comeback Kid" about Gore
last year that he would predict an endorsement for Obama in six weeks. :shrug:

http://nymag.com/news/politics/17065/
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:03 AM
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18. Let's hope he's right this time. The country needs Obama and
hopefully Gore will help Americans understand that.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:03 AM
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17. I predict that Gore will endorse..........
...the Democratic nominee, and keep quiet about his preferences until then.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:33 PM
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21. I think you are right
And I think that would be best.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:09 PM
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23. If Gore learned his lesson from Howard Dean,
I don't think he'll endorse anyone.

He may not like Hillary but he appeared on stage with Bill at the Clinton Global Initiative and were very cordial to each other.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:14 PM
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24. Gore needs to keep his focus on global climate change
He has worked too long on this vital issue to let it get sidetracked by endorsements that could be divisive and detract attention from this important work.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:59 PM
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30. Good. Al Gore has developed thoughtful judgment. :-) n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:32 PM
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33. That would be cool :-) nt
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:27 PM
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34. Elizabeth "always wrong" Bumiller agrees?
That's it. If I were on the Obama team, I'd refrain from celebrating just yet.
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