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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:37 AM
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America's greatest crime is radioactive genocide
America's greatest crime is radioactive genocide
Allen L Roland's Radio Weblog, October 13, 2007

America's greatest crime against humanity is radioactive genocide particularly against the children of Iraq who are the innocent victims of our illegal war, occupation and economic rape of Iraq ~ We have the blood of countless innocent children on our hands and it will take generations to remove the stain of our illegal and inhumane transgressions : Allen L Roland

Currently, more than 50 percent of Iraqi cancer patients are children under the age of 5, up from 13 percent. Children are especially vulnerable because they tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

America's greatest crime against humanity is radioactive genocide, and prepare to be shocked when you see the pictures of these maimed and disfigured Iraqi children ~ who are the innocent victims of our illegal war, occupation and economic rape of Iraq. http://tinyurl.com/adoq2

We have the blood of countless innocent children on our hands and it will take generations to remove the stain of our illegal and inhumane transgressions.

Allen L Roland
http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2007/10/12.html

January 21, 2006

Iraqi and visiting doctors, and a number of news reports, have reported that birth defects and cancers in Iraqi children have increased five- to 10-fold since the 1991 Gulf War and continue to increase sharply, to over 30-fold in some areas in southern Iraq. Currently, more than 50 percent of Iraqi cancer patients are children under the age of 5, up from 13 percent. Children are especially vulnerable because they tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.

The Pentagon has been using radiooactive weapons for at least a decade and a half with full complicity of at least three White House administrations and Republican and Democratic congressional legislators. Conservatively, at least 300 tons and 1,700 tons of depleted uranium were used in the Gulf War and the current Iraq War, resectively. This is about 70 grams of depleted uranium per Iraqi citizen, and if inhaled or ingested, it is enough to kill them all.

Is this not radioactive genocide, especially when our troops used and continue to use most of the depleted uranium munitions in densely populated areas such as Baghdad and Fallujah? Depleted uranium has a half-life of billions of years. Consequently, Iraq will be a wasteland forever and essentially uninhabitable for anyone.

After the 1991 Gulf War, about 1 in 4, or 150,000, U.S. veterans came down with what is referred to as "Gulf War Syndrome." Most of the ailments characteristic of Gulf War Syndrome are consistent with radiation or heavy-metal poisoning. Veterans' children are now also born with higher proportions of birth defects and other genetic disorders, according to sporadic accuonts. The Pentagon continues to deny the harmful effects of depleted uranium or its role in Gulf War Syndrome.

As described by a report of the World Health Organization Depleted Uranium Mission to Kosovo, uranium can be found in rocks and soil and contributes to natural background levels of radioactivity. Depleted uranium is a waste product of uranium enrichment for nuclear reactors and is about 60 percent as radioactive as naturally occurring uranium. Depleted uranium is considered weakly radioactive.

Nevertheless, depleted uranium is considered nuclear waste and has to be disposed of accordingly, which is expensive and a potential environmental hazard. The nuclear industry must be very pleased the U.S. military has found a way to get this stuff off their hands cheaply.

Depleted uranium is really a misnomer, because the potentially harmful effects are by no means depleted. Research reports have found that when depleted uranium is ingested or inhaled, it can cause cancers and birth defects. It has considerable heavy-metal toxicity.

As stated in the WHO report, because of its high density, depleted uranium is used in armor-piercing ammunition and as reinforcement against conventional weapons. Upon impact, the depleted uranium fragments burn at intense heat, and 10 to 35 percent of it becomes aerosolized. This aerosolized uranium "dust" is the most harmful component because it can easily be ingested or inhaled.

Wind and people walking through it also easily disperse the depleted uranium dust. This dust is a predominant byproduct of military use of depleted uranium, in contrast to, for example, exposures in uranium mines or nuclear reactors.

Our troops in Iraq will be severely affected by this radioactive war, not only because a lot more depleted uranium has been used and continues to be used, but also because they have been there a lot longer than during the Gulf War. Hundreds of thousands of our troops will come down with Gulf War Syndrome as a result of depleted uranium poisoning, and thousands will die from it. Thousands of their children will be born with genetic diseases, cancers and birth defects.

The continued use of depleted uranium harms our own troops and innocent civilians exposed to our war machine, is un-American, and a crime against humanity. We need a worldwide ban on depleted uranium use....more:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m37167&hd=&size=1&l=e
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:41 AM
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1. Important Post Thanks
Yet another thing to look into...
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:59 PM
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15. It can become mind exploding when you first start researching
all of the info coming at you here, nightrider.


Horrifying effects from DU, btw. Try to steel your heart and mind well before you click on any photo links.

You can try to anyway. :hug:

And be prepared for the rage that will come from your sorrow when you view what has been done IN OUR NAMES!

Welcome to DU, nightrider! There is an unbelievable amount of education here to fathom. :hi:
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:44 AM
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2. Depleted uranium is Agent Orange on steroids.
k&r
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:48 AM
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3. Radioactivity is not the big concern with DU
it's heavy-metal poisoning if it gets in the body, usually in the form of dust.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:12 AM
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19. DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
U238 is a weak alpha emitter. While Alpha is really nasty inside the body, since U238 has such a long half life that it's almost stable, that's irrelevant. You'd probably get a better dose eating large numbers of bannanas.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:55 AM
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4. What we are doing is monstrous
This country has so much to answer for -- words fail me. :cry:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:05 AM
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5. if you have a strong constitution !!WARNING HORRIFIC PHOTOS!! you can Google this--->

BUT THIS SHIT IS THE WORST TRAGEDY POSSIBLE.. don't just do it to pump up your hatred of * ...you will simply explode.. or have nightmares for life, but any ReThug for the war should have these photos tattooed on the inside of their eyelids

:du extreme birth defects:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:08 AM
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6. It's about as radioactive as my doorstop. Toxic, otoh...
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:08 AM by Zynx
Heavy metal poisoning is very nasty.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:24 AM
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8. The author of the piece posted
in the OP, is selectively using the WHO, which states clearly that radioactivity is not a large concern, and that "The chemical toxicity of uranium salts is greater than their radiological toxicity." In fact WHO says DU is not a significant health hazard and explains in detail why.

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/env/du/en/

DU is toxic but evidently radioactivity is not the primary or even a significant problem.

The author is not a scientist. He's a new age Psychologist with a PhD in spiritual pschology.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:08 PM
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17. What if you burned your doorstop and inhaled the particles?
Big chunks of DU that just sit there aren't a problem.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:06 AM
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25. Inhaling particles of most things, and all metals, is a very bad idea.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 08:10 AM by BadgerLaw2010
Heavy metals are the worst because they build up in your system over time and don't leave, but I can't think of any sort of vaporized metal that I would want to risk inhaling under any circumstances.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:15 PM
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30. And if they are radioactive, so much the worse.
People aren't using natural uranium this way, so the fact that the natural thing is more radioactive is beside the point.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:20 PM
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31. At that degree of radioactivity, it doesn't really matter. Look up what a half-life is.
The obnoxious radioactive materials all have half-lives measured in dozens of years or at most, tens of thousands of years.

U-238 has a half-life of 4.46 billion years.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:11 AM
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7. true - and Gulf One vets have died, are dying at great rates


so it's murdering our own military too
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:25 AM
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9. could you provide some
links to that claim? I'm not doubting that DU has killed our troops, but according WHO it wouldn't be through radiation.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:31 AM
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26. I'm sure a search would turn up plenty articles on it, I've posted some


didn't keep the links
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:00 AM
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10. The only place you'll find an absence of info on DU is in the MSM...
For obvious reasons. If anyone is truly interested, just run a Google search.

http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/

Short description and resources from the Federation of American Scientists.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm

http://www.cadu.org.uk/intro.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/europe/2001/depleted_uranium/

Depleted Uranium is WMD
by Leuren Moret
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0809-33.htm

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:06 AM
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11. "...we think the price is worth it."
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:18 AM
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12. Precisely...
If only during the run up to invading Iraq, more Americans had been aware of the half-million children and elderly who died horrible deaths due to the sanctions the U.S. imposed during the 1990s, maybe they would've understood how grotesquely perverse the notion of our wanting to "liberate" their country. Keep wavin' those flags to celebrate mass murder...and wonder why the world HATES you.
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:20 AM
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21. She said that about the sanctions, not the DU
. . . if I recall that 60 Minutes interview correctly.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:51 AM
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22. Well yeah.
The sanctions and the 1/2 million children that lost their lives due to it.

But you're correct. It wasn't specific to depleted uranium as it was generally to depleted morality.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:20 AM
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24. Which is why I specifically cited SANCTIONS in the 1990s n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:22 AM
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13. A link to the World Health Organization that corrects the misinformation in the OP
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:51 PM
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14. The first thing new Iraqi parents ask now - "Is it normal?".
The damage that the US has done there is almost unfathomable.

If it doesn't qualify as Crimes Against Humanity, I cannot imagine much else that would.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:51 PM
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16. A lot of D.U. links here..
A whole load of articles and info here..

IAC Delpeted Uranium Links



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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:11 PM
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18. and if you think this is bad, look at cancer numbers from Bosnia
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:12 PM by Capn Sunshine
That is where DU was first used on a regular basis.
The troops bring it home too. DU gets in your system and you can actually give it to your partner like an STD. It's wicked ugly stuff and there's no MSM coverage ofthe net effects and very litle funding of studies on the long term effects.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:35 AM
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27. and to have yourself tested for the poison, cost over one thou.

and only one or two labs (I think in the world) do the test

does that tell you something?

same for testing women for mercury before conceiving. not many labs do it.

does that tell you something?
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:19 AM
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20. And not a single one of our candidates mentions depleted uranium
I guess explaining to us that our troops have been poisoned by a radioactive isotope that will continue to bombard their (and our) DNA for billions of years would be unfair to the Republicans.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:27 AM
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23. Actually Dennis Kucinich is, once again, out ahead of the others on this issue
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Mugu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:32 AM
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28. You clearly don't understand the reason that it's called depleted.
DU is about as radioactive as salt substitute. An argument can be make for heavy metal contamination, but radioactive genocide it's not.

Regards, Mugu
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:15 PM
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32. Having worked with and been around DU for a number of years,
I can safely say that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Yes, DU is depleted uranium, however that doesn't mean it's dead. It actually has a T.I. of about 0.1 millirem, not a large amount by any means but still enough to do damage if it gets inside your body. You see, DU is an alpha and beta emitter, one can be blocked by your skin, the other by cloth, paper or some other similar stuff. However when it is used on the tip of a warhead, the stuff is blasted into radioactive dust, which people either ingest or inhale. Once an alpha or beta emitter gets inside your body, even weak emitters, it can and will play havoc with you. It will lodge in some nice out of the way place, destroying or mutating surrounding cells for the rest of your natural life. No, it isn't much, a speck of dust, but combine it with other like specks, and given the length of time, and you have a slow motion genocide on your hands.

I imagine that areas affected by DU are going to have massive cancer clusters, birth defects, strange illnesses and the other symptoms of radioactive poisoning showing up in ever increasing quantities as time goes on.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:40 PM
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29. kick
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 02:40 PM by Whisp
why is this subject being put on the back shelf? why are the so-called decent representatives not screaming out about this every day?
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