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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:46 AM Original message |
Gen. Wesley Clark: Clinton's approach deters a rush to war |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Shorter Wes Clark: |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yeah, anyone who supports HRC is only trying to get a cabinet post |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Does anyone seriously think Clark would be |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. It's not "selling out" to want a Democrat in the White House |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Hehehehehehe... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. K&R |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
136. Well, I appreciate his perspective on this, or any national-security subject, and |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
205. Nah |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Wes Clark is still the smartest guy in the room. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'd still like to understand this better |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It increases pressure in a non-military way |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The state department has already made that call |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So you don't think |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Patronize much? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Your position is a total contradiction |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. Of course I'm not talking about the first version |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. What bombs? |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Nada |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Lieberman lost. n/t |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
115. Right or wrong, the resolution does NOT negate talk |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
117. Clark supporter told a supporter in LA that he was still "uneasy" about Kyl-Lieberman... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
177. I believe he supports her decision to vote for both resolutions. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #177 |
237. My impression |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Did the State Department |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
86. Liebermann is dangerous |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
73. Why is Iran a "problem"? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:14 PM Original message |
Thanks Jim...you explained that better than CLARK. I needed that! nt |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
200. Yes. That is precisely Joe LIeberman's hidden agenda, peace with Iran |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It's called pandering. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. So what was Obama's excuse with s970 in March 2007? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. No, their excuse for that one is, "he wouldn't have shown up to vote for it anyways" |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. and yet that STILL beats the hell out of voting "yes" on it |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No difference |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. if you think there is NO DIFFERENCE between a yes vote on this and a nonvote |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Uh huh. And Obama co-writing a bill identical to kyl-lieberman 6 months ago is totally different |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I realize it's tough rationalizing Hillary's vote for war and more war. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Please stop deflecting. I've had just about enough deflecting from you for one day |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Deleted message |
Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Once again, no response to my question |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. no matter how you frame it |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You should have been a starship captain. SHIELDS UP! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. ... and Hillary STILL voted "yes" on the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
94. You've pointed out the obvious several times |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
118. Still can't digest her vote without trying to wipe the shame on others? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. No, I'm just wondering if you support your candidate enough |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. I accept that that bill never made it out of committee. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Does that make it ok, though? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. comparatively, yes |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Umm.. Hillary DID win on this |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. The war-mongering GOP won on this issue, not America, and certainly not Hillary. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Keep praying for that war! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. I'll pray that your candidate doesn't continue to take us down that road. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Uh huh. I'll bookmark this topic |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Deleted message |
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. I'm getting The Rush Limbaugh Treatment further down ... they claim that I lie about my military |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Holy shit! They pulled the "phony soldier" on you? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Yes, they sure did. However, in their defense ... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. I'm hoping the light will go on and people will realize - |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #156 |
170. another false charge AK? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Well, that would mean I had made one before and I haven't. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Nobody did, a question is not to impugn |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Hello? Can I get into the conversation? I'm expressing an opinion. If that opinion |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #178 |
183. Sure |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I am suggesting that his authority may have caused you to believe him "infallible" and your behavior |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. my incessant defense is somewhat balanced by your incessant |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Bingo! That's exactly my point. If you REALLY could accept that Clark might harbor HUMAN ulterior |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. I tell you what |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #174 |
180. keep telling yourself that |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #180 |
187. Why should I "tell" myself it, you think I don't believe it? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Well, I can admit in all honesty that this has been a learning experience for me ... I hope also for |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #189 |
191. You have no intention of learning |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:20 AM Response to Reply #172 |
196. I'm sorry that you were caught up in this AK. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #156 |
193. Oh I know exactly who she claims to be |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:32 AM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Deleted message |
BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #153 |
165. what obnoxious hyperbole |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Oh, come on, cease with the self-righteous indignation. Clark is only human. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. Once again, you fall back on I am just awed by Clark. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. No, IMO, you can't give up ... come on, admit that Clark is a mere mortal? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Deleted message |
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. "You are so full of shit." Nice comeback? What's worse is that you don't even realize |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #181 |
208. LOL -- you don't "criticize" |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Don't try to deny it... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And the way have chosen to obfiscate it |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm sorry you don't have a TV. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I do, I had one in 2002 as well |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. did you miss the drum beat to war? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I do hear one |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. the proof is in the pudding |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. We are as close to dropping |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. We cannot afford to hope her "yes" votes as precursors to war turn out okay ... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. but what about the precursors to pudding wars? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I'm lactose and war-intolerant. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The bill was passed what, a month ago? Where are the republicans using this bill as justification |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. some people learned the first time the dog bit them |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. So they aren't "beating the war drums to Iran" as you said above? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Jimmy Carter has it exactly right. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. how does that work? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. So, you want to talk about leadership? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. The clear implication of this trip down memory lane |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Hillary better stick to other issues because this one isn't hers. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. but, you are not telling it like it is |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I'm pointing out your faux outrage due to your faulty critical analysis. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. why don't you answer my questions? All you are doing is being snarky |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. No, I'm putting this debate into proper perspective. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. What about s970 again? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
141. So, Durbin's a "yeah war," senator, too? nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Durbin voted "no" on the IWR. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #144 |
168. But you are saying one is an extension of the other |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. "The administration has dipped back into ... IWR....and nobody has |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. but damn if she didn't pony up those "yeah war" votes to woo the GOP base |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #144 |
190. But Durbin and others think it will give us more diplomatic leverage. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #190 |
215. And the best way to promote diplomacy is to peg the other party a terrorist? |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Two bad bills |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Why do you think Durbin and Levin voted for it? Same reason? |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
211. Because they are "wooinig the GOP"? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. Durbin and Levin aren't running for president. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. I don't understand it either. Never in history has any national army been |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Well, technnically, K/L doesn't label the Iranian national army as terrorist |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. 80 members of the Iranian parliament |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. The IRG is military unit, not a knitting circle |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. The IRG is indeed a military organization |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I don't think Kyl-Lieberman goes anywhere near |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
79. The Iranian National Army is a different branch |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
55. The Kyl-Lieberman Amendment was necessary .. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. Wesley, Wesley, Wesley. I am just so damn disappointed in you. I really |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why? Because he doesn't conform to your preconcieved notion? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. The problem is: Bush can't read |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
95. When can we expect that to happen? |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
154. I thought he was more honest and upright than to support corporatist |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. I feel the same way |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
44. Hillary or Obama, either way Clark may be a good Sec. of defense...? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. I trust Clark |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Maybe you should |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. He has been exactly right regarding the Iraq debacle. He is a strong, intelligent |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Oops, you misunderstood me, or I was very unclear |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. sorry--fixed it. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
69. Trust him to what? Say what's politically popular around here? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I trust him to tell us what he truly believes |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
54. You are fucking wrong, way wrong General...Oh man, what a disappoitment...nt |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
67. Excellent article. Thanks for posting! nt |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
74. Whenever I begin a diplomatic endeavor, I like to start by calling |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
99. The IRG is not Iran, and Iran is not the IRG. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
77. We called the military of Iran terrorists. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
123. It's not...it's just about |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
80. It's General (RETIRED) Wesley Clark. He's just another civilian now. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Its ShortnFiery |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Oh, I do show respect to those who earn it - Clark doesn't qualify. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. If your charge had any merit |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yes, you still have *stars* in your eyes. Perhaps a career in the military |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Another charge that amounts to zip. n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. In your opinion. IMO, Generals and Retired Generals are not God Almighty. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. No its your opinion, as you don't know me, or anything about Clark |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. In your opinion. Gee, we can do this all night. You must really adore him? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Are you old enough |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Yes, I do believe that I am. If you want the full meshing of military & politics, General Musarraf |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
210. Your statement is absurd & posting that photo of General Musarraf is your propaganda |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #210 |
217. No, I still think Clark would not be "a bad" running mate, but he is still a political beastie. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #210 |
220. Ahhhhh |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. So true, we are not permitted to re-evaluate the motives of Clark, even with the inane prose above. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #210 |
222. Great post! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #222 |
225. I never denied that he would still be an "ok" VP. Or do you defend his inane arguement above? n/t |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. You're smearing a respected general who has |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Oh stop wrapping Clark in the flag and spewing jingoistic nonsense. His prose above STINKS! |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. I'll defend Clark's record from your baseless smears |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. It's not SMEARS, but merely a person's opinion who does not want us to continue to |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #227 |
230. I have to admit that those of you who continue to refer to him as General instead of Retired General |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #210 |
226. I'll admit that, for a time, you got me sold on him - but I've delved deeper. |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. You know.... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I was open to him for a very short time. But now, I believe my original "take" stands true. |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Well...you know very little about a lot of things apparently... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Back at ya! |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Why.... you sound like a certain RW entertainer.... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Oh gee, anybody who doesn't genuflect for "the good general" is a right winger. Got it. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Well, he's proven his worth.... still waiting from some indication |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Please, what great humanitarian action is Clark know for? He's bright, attractive & a former General |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Oh, please |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Oh yeah. I'm sorry that our opinions don't mesh, but it's not martial law ... |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
120. Yeah, because I called for your imprisonment |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Oh, I believe SOME people would have others imprisoned if they could have the power. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
150. Ask Sadako Ogata and Samantha Power |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Gee, and if we would have LISTENED to General (Ret.) Zinni instead of the whorish M$M and HRC |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. I guess you don't know much about either the rank or the people |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. What? I'm not going to show you my DD 214 but I served four years AD in the 1980s. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #116 |
126. he sounds like Rush Limbaugh calling you a phoney soldier. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Thanks JB. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Wrong on both counts |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Hey, I'm "a she" too, former Regular Army, LT. In fact there hasn't been a day in my life |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #138 |
207. Who exactly the fuck do you think you are? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. Oh yeah, that's right? Regular Army Officers can ID with their rank - BFD. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #212 |
238. You still don't get it |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
133. So what? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. No, Zinni was an excellent M.E. envoy who resigned rather than support this insane invasion. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #134 |
148. You obviously have an agenda against Clark, talk about political animal |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. "Obviously" you think so. That's fine - Clark is a politico. IMO, he's spinning like a top for HRC. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Other than edorsing her |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Now you are insulting my intelligence. "Endorsing HRC" pretty much sums it up. n/t |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Then why bother arguing this? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. No, "worthless" is hyperbole. However, now that he's fully endorsing HRC, you can't fault those |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:44 AM Response to Reply #167 |
192. I don't fault that suspicion ShortnFiery |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:22 AM Response to Reply #192 |
194. I don't fault the suspicious Tom Rinaldo either. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. The sum total of your words on this thread far outstrips mine |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:24 AM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Too funny in a sad way. I would not have had to defend myself or my military service if "Clarkies" |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:37 AM Response to Reply #198 |
199. My reply to you was respectful and thoughtful |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #199 |
202. With respect, I considered your reply as calculated "smoke screen" to confuse the issues. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Who you choose to trust and why is your business |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Then it's a deal. :-) I hope you enjoy your trip. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #194 |
209. "Not unlike Caesar" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #209 |
213. You need to let go of all that anger and hatred. Yes, Kyle-Lieberman is poison. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #213 |
239. WTF? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #209 |
224. "They are ALL honorable men." Was that lost on you? n/t |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
236. I'm pretty sure they get to keep their title, even in retirement |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
87. I think the point here is that Hillary felt she had to bring out the "big guns" to defend this vote. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
101. For Obama, there is no defense. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. Apparently you missed or are purposely ignoring this post from the other day... |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. Link to the public announcement at time of vote, please. nt |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #113 |
216. But Biden said that's incorrect, or incomplete, |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. ... or maybe what Biden says is incorrect or incomplete. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #219 |
229. Maybe Biden is incorrect, |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. you are trying to defuse his right speak |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. Obama is entitled to speak, |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Exactly |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
119. it speaks volumes |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
114. He proposed the IWR |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. He did no such thing |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #114 |
125. What? LOL! nt |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
147. No he did not. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
137. more Koolaid, Wesley? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Explain Durbin's vote to me. nt |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. Well she won't say that Durbin drank the kool aid |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
157. Trying to use Durbin for cover for the fact that Hillary is gop neocon won't work |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Trying to ignore Durbin |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. hey |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Sadly, I believe it without reading it, lol |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
201. Today, I un-subscribe to WesPac |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
206. Thank you General...nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
218. I thought votevets.org was against the Liberman/Kyl bill... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. of course it doesn't help with diplomatic efforts |
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234. That's for sure... |
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