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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:46 PM
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Obama: "I am the man" to address climate change
"Are you going to be the person to elevate this whole issue and put it out there before the entire country and lead us to true energy independence?" a man in the crowd asked Obama.

"I am the man," Obama responded.

Obama warned the crowd their utility bills will increase as companies pass along the costs of converting to cleaner technologies. "I can't just tell people what they want to hear," Obama said. "...I hope everybody understands if we're serious about dealing with global warming, there is going to be a spike in the unit cost of electricity."

Obama said most Americans would be able to take steps to reduce energy usage in their own homes, by installing more energy efficient light bulbs and appliances.

"Technology, I believe, will adapt in such a way that those electricity bills go back down...but at least on the front end there's going to be some costs," Obama said. "You know, we can't pretend like there's a free lunch here. I think it's really important for us to understand that because I plan to be president and when I'm president I don't want you guys all complaining to me about, boy, this is...difficult."

A woman in the audience challenged Obama over the use of coal as fuel for plants that generate electricity. "You mentioned clean coal technology in your plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," she said. "...I want to ask you about how you can justify developing clean coal technology when the extraction of it through mountain top removal and surface mining has such grave environmental impacts and causes such social suffering."

Obama said he would not allow mining companies to "lop off" the tops of mountains to get at coal deposits, but Obama told the woman it would be a losing fight to try to ban the use of coal.

"The reason is, like it or not, a whole bunch of us are getting electricity from coal and a whole bunch of people are employed extracting coal and there are whole states that are economically deeply dependent on coal," Obama said. "And by the way, coal is the most abundant resource in the United States. It is also the cheapest and most abundant resource in China."


More at:
http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=9F9001C7-091B-A61A-1844E44289775B42

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:51 PM
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1. He may well be
If he won the WH and put Gore in charge of all things environmental, yes, Obama would be the man on climate change. With Gore handling things there Obama would be free to concentrate on the many other things in dire need of attention.

:toast:

Julie
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:55 PM
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2. If Gore endorses Obama and Obama makes him
head of the EPA, I think the country would be heading in the right direction.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:19 PM
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7. Why in hell would Gore take THAT shitty job?
That's just crazy talk. The EPA is a much smaller responsibility than his old VP role. He wouldn't take such a step down, any more than Bill Clinton would take on Health and Human Services or even Transportation.

Gore's role in any future administration would be at the ambassadorial level, at a minimum.

And Obama would have to 'come to Jesus'--or at least the Goreacle-- on his endorsement of Illinois coal and the coal liquefaction process. There's a lot of daylight between the two of them on that matter. "Clean coal" isn't very clean, and it isn't very green, either. At least not yet--maybe it could be, someday. However, he's between a rock an a hard place, because coal is all over the southern half of his home state. If he turns his back on coal, he's committing political suicide.

    Although Obama said his plan would take $150 billion in auction proceeds for investment in renewable energy over a 10-year period, he did not rule out a continuation of efforts to produce so-called clean-coal technology.

    "If we just say, 'Sorry, no coal,' we will lose that fight politically and we will hamper ourselves from potentially dealing with a legitimate energy resource if we have very clear standards about its use," Obama said, noting vast coal reserves exist in Illinois and the rest of the nation as well as in China and that new technology should be shared.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-071014obama,1,1962706.story



Finally, Obama needs to take a lesson from Walter Mondale, who told America the truth when he said taxes were gonna go up. Walter got his ass handed to him. It doesn't always pay to be too honest, no matter what people claim.

You can't tell people they're gonna get socked in the wallet with high electric bills. There are large regions of this country that are damn near all-electric, and they won't go for that at all.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:55 PM
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3. Hasn't Obama embarrassed himself and his supporters enough.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 03:06 PM by Tellurian
The man has no bottom to the lengths he'll go to professing he's the best choice for the presidency..

I guess the Obama/Feingold VP prediction is in the wind. So their floating another prediction in the "HOPE" of holding on to yet another pie in the sky aberration to further dupe his supporters pockets.

Funny, that- I just did a little cursive research into BO's environmental record and posted just a few of his reckless decisions on another thread. I'll find the links and post them here.

"Besides Obama's Sponsoring S. 957 Clean Coal Bill and the backlash from the World stating; There is NO such thing as Clean Coal.

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/funds/investing/10362048.html

Here is an article explaining how this isn't the first time Obama's been caught with his pants down...as he subsequently reverses his decision because of dire environmental concerns brought to light by environmental experts surprised at his actions."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062301424_pf.html



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:41 PM
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18. You may want to alert the League of Conservation Voters, who rated him the best candidate
of them all in terms of enviromental issues.

http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/Obama/tab1.html
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:56 PM
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27. Seeing VP Gore helped President Clinton establish laws for "The Clean Air Act."..
I don't need to do anything..

"Given the complex spiderwork of lies spun by the White House and its corporate allies on this issue, it might be worth a moment to step back and examine what the “clear skies” fuss is all about.

"To put the issue in context, it’s worth recalling that when President Clinton left office, the biggest electric power polluters—including Southern Company, American Electric Power and Cinergy—were running scared.

"Using authorities in the existing "Clean Air Act", the "Clinton administration" had brought lawsuits aimed at compelling cleanup of aging, coal-burning power plants that had been illegally modified to keep running without modern pollution controls. The Clinton EPA had also set in motion a plan to require every power plant in the nation to clean up toxic mercury emissions by 2008."

No sooner had the Bush administration taken office than these and other big polluters (all big Bush campaign contributors) lined up outside Vice President Cheney’s office to request regulatory relief. Cheney, in turn, directed the EPA to reconsider its policy of enforcing the law. In the process, the Bush administration developed a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to air pollution—don’t ask the biggest polluters to clean up, and don’t tell the public the truth about what’s really happening. Enforcement trailed off, and Bush appointees crafted an illegal plan to permit power companies to continue spewing toxic mercury for decades.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/a_clear_skies_smokescreen.php
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:19 PM
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29. And that has what to do with either Obama or your candidate's environmental record - credibility?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 04:20 PM by jefferson_dem
"Smokescreen" is right...

The point is not BILL Clinton's environmental record (which is some good, some bad) but that you launched into another one of your typically irrational rants against Obama, the basis of which is soundly refuted by one of the most respected environmental groups around. Sorry. Try again?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:31 PM
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31. In Aug 07' Obama notified the LOC he might be too busy to address their forum..
http://www.lcv.org/newsroom/press-releases/page.jsp?itemID=35576552

Not until Oct 8, 2007 did he express any interest in the LOC because Gore was a sure thing for the Nobel Prize. And what better way to demonstrate feigned success/interest than by hitching your star to a Globally recognized Environmental champion. Opportunism fraught with the desperation of Obama's failing campaign.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:35 PM
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32. Wow, that's pretty impressive!
I did not know that. Thanks for posting that.

:toast:

Julie
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:05 PM
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4. Kickin for the man that will continue in the WH what Al Gore
has started around the world.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:14 PM
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5. I'll tell you something katz,
I wish he'd stop injecting his religious belief into secular issues.

Obama Links Faith and Enviro Protection

Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday that his religious beliefs influence his plans for how to protect the environment.

Speaking before religious leaders and others at what he called an "interfaith forum on climate change," the Illinois senator said God has entrusted humans with the responsibility of caring for the earth, and "we are not acting as good stewards of God's earth when our bottom line puts the size of our profits before the future of our planet."

"It is our responsibility to ensure that this planet remains clean and safe and livable for our children and for all of God's children," he told about 200 people gathered at the downtown public library. "But in recent years, science has made it undeniably clear that our generation is not living up to this responsibility. Global warming is not a someday problem, it is now."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD8S962700

I don't know why he thinks this is necessary, but it's getting to be a common thread in his campaign that I don't like.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:18 PM
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6. He's doing 2 things
Attacking the "Obama is a Muslim" meme the right is using against him and stealing the faith argument away from the GOP.

He's BRILLIANT.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:23 PM
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9. But you make it sound like his faith is just political - is that it? eom
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:24 PM
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10. I really don't care if it is or not. The thing is that
religion is still very important for many in this country, and we need to make sure that, as progressives, we are able to appeal to them.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:28 PM
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11. I disagree with that assumption.
He could send the same message by just going to his regular church service. It seems to me that the only people interested in pushing religion into the platform are the RW religious nuts, who will never vote for a progressive because of abortion, gay rights etc.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:30 PM
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13. I think we need to make the case that religion and progressive values
are not mutually exclusive. I think about Jimmy Carter when I say this.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:19 PM
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8. Amen. This will not help him with the religious right -- and it hurts him
with those of us who still believe in the separation of church and state.

His positions for the most part stand on their own merit. I wish he'd quit dragging God into his campaign.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:30 PM
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12. What is secular about an "interfaith forum on climate change"?
When he is addressing churches and religious leaders, I don't think it's out of line to mention his personal faith or God.

I'm a pretty strong atheist, however I don't care when politicians use religious language.

If they use religion and personal faith as an inspiration to do good things like promote civil rights (a long history of this in the black community) or protect the environment, that is a good thing.

If they use their religion and faith as a justification to discriminate against gay people, or to try and restrict the rights of women, that is a bad thing.

I know MLKjr wasn't running for political office, but seriously, if he wasn't killed and he had the chance would we have been saying "Yeah, he's okay, but I wish he'd shut up about God"? Even when Obama uses religious language his often mentions non-believers with respect. Unlike Bush's daddy, who claimed we weren't true Americans or whatever.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:32 PM
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14. Amen, brother!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:33 PM
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15. There's nothing secular about an interfaith forum
on climate change, but that's what he called it. If that's indeed what this forum was, my question is still why is he arguing a scientific issue at a religious forum.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:36 PM
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16. To appeal to religious voters.
If we want religious people to embrace values that are beneficial to America, we need to convince them that progressive values ARE values they can embrace without putting their faith in jeopardy.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:43 PM
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19. I don't want polticians to influence people on a religious basis
for any reason. Good or bad. That's the job of priests, pastors, rabbis and mullahs. Sorry, the only way I want to know about a person's religious beliefs goes back to the saying "you will know them by their deeds."
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:45 PM
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21. Sadly, that's not the way the political life in our country works.
I'm agnostic. I wish religion wasn't an issue. However, it is.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:39 PM
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17. Because there are religious people in this country who can't see past gays and abortion
Appealing to their faith as an inspiration to stop our befouling of the Earth seems like a good way to go.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:47 PM
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22. "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge
to all of humanity."

- Al Gore http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1015/p02s01-ussc.html

Why is environmental consciousness *only* a "scientific issue"? To some, at the very heart, it's a profoundly moral or spiritual calling.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:47 PM
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23. Great quote! Gore and Obama are on the same page!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:50 PM
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24. It's a moral challenge no doubt,
but I don't even know what a spiritual challenge means or how to apply it to a scientific process.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:51 PM
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25. Don't be so picky.
:)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:52 PM
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26. Ah shuddup you face!
lol
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:01 PM
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28. Good post,
kill!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:44 PM
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20. wow, the truth.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 03:45 PM by Capn Sunshine
They will use that against us , of course.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:20 PM
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30. I'm the man. I'm your girl.
:)
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