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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:56 AM
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Kucinich 'seriously thinking' about forcing vote on Cheney impeachment
Rep. Dennis Kucinich says he is so concerned about what he sees as the Bush administration's push for a war with Iran that he is considering using a parliamentary measure to force the House of Representatives to vote on impeaching Vice President Dick Cheney.

"We're preparing for another war, and they're going to destroy America," the Ohio Democrat said Thursday on the Ed Schultz show. "We have a government in place right now that has to be challenged. I'm seriously thinking about calling a privileged resolution on impeachment of the vice president and forcing a vote on the floor of the House."

A privileged resolution would force the full House to debate about whether to proceed with impeachment, but it remains unclear precisely how, when or whether Kucinich would be able to introduce such a resolution. Privileged measures "may be called up on the floor whenever another measure is not already pending" and the House agrees to consider it, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Privileged measures can include questions of House privileges or resolutions of inquiry, according to the CRS report.

more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_seriously_thinking_about_forcing_vote_0928.html
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:57 AM
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1. Sort of a unilateral attack, if you will.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:58 AM
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2. Still?
:rofl:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:46 PM
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27. Apperently
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:58 AM
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3. I wish you would, Dennis. n/t
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:59 AM
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4. he has been seriously thinking about this
for weeks now. shit or get off the can. I fully support DK on this but what exactly is there to "think" about anymore? DK has been one of the more clearly focused on why this administration needs to be removed/incarcerated
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:06 PM
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7. I think he is trying to work out how best to get it to succeed (n/t)
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:15 PM
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11. He is SERIOUSLY sending messages to the DEM leadership
telling them to shit or get off the throne, he is ready to take over

last thing Pelosi et al wnat is an up-or-down vote on impeachment
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:40 PM
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39. Kucinich is "ready to take over?"
:rofl:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:26 AM
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29. Perhaps he is waiting until closer to the Presidential parimaries
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:00 PM
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5. why the F not?
if bush is impeached & convicted in the senate on january 18th, 2008, the day before inaguration, i think its worth it. even if he's NOT convicted, but merely impeached, i think its worth it.

never before, not even nixon, has impeachment been so richly deserved.

bush & cheney must be officially rejected by this country, if only for posterity's sake.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:45 PM
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18. A failed impeachment means "Not Guilty"
Claims that * started an illegal war - Not Guilty

Claims the * illegally spied on Americans - Not Guilty

Claims that * politicized the Justice Dept - Not Guilty

Claims that * tortures - Not Guilty

That is not the message I want to send
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:23 AM
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24. No, that's what "failure to impeach" means
It means complicity -- approval -- exoneration for the regime. It's what we have now and why this congress gets the lowest approval numbers ever.

An impeachment effort -- even a failed one -- can only send the message that "WE OBJECT" in the name of the American People, to that which they have never given their proper consent.

Only Impeachment can send that message to the world, to our children, and to history.

It IS our positive agenda.

And our ONLY moral, patriotic (and legal, legislative, electoral, diplomatic...) option.

----
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:42 PM
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36. You wouldn't have to twist my words if you had a decent argument
I didn't say "failure to impeach"; I said "a failed impeachment"

"An impeachment effort -- even a failed one -- can only send the message that "WE OBJECT""

So what? People don't know that dems object to *? The response will be "Of course you OBJECT. You're democrats!"
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:39 PM
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42. No. You are so incorrect it hurts
An impeachment trial allows Congress to investigate and oversee this President.
He cannot claim executive privilege and has to honor subpoenas.
You think the truth isn't worth it?
Gotcha!;)
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 08:16 AM
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30. Considering the outcome of the FISA and MoveOn.org votes, do you believe that
there are enough votes in the House to impeach?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:04 PM
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6. I hope he does. I'm sure he's been hearing for weeks how he shouldn't...
but I hope he does.

I want to hear the reasoning of those who argue against it.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:08 PM
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8. If Dennis thinks he can pull it off, he should.
I think he's realistic as far as his true chances of winning the nomination are. At least by being a candidate, he can get his message out and maybe leverage Congress into passing articles of impeachment against Cheney.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:52 AM
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26. Perhaps he does not think that he can pull it off
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:12 PM
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9. Go for it, Dennis! You can't expect the "leadership" to do it,

they're beholden to the DLC.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:13 PM
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10. Absolutely. This must be pursued to stop Iran war disaster
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:24 PM
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12. Go for it, Dennis.
Seriously - go for it. I don't know how politically feasible impeaching Bush would be, since there's a level of plausible deniability with him as the "puppet president". Cheney, though, has already had one of his closest aids go down in Plamegate, and he's clearly involved in just about every major scandal this administration has gotten itself into. He's a *better*, easier, more meaningful target. Go for it.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:26 PM
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13. That was almost a month ago. What is his position on the matter now? nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:35 AM
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41. Perhaps he is still 'seriously thinking' about it
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:29 PM
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14. Love DK, but...
I've got Democrats-Thinking-Out-Loud fatigue. I'd rather just see someone do something.

-A Complainer
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:19 PM
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19. I'm happy at least one is willing to think out loud about it.
There really doesn't seem to be too many politicians speaking up for the American people anymore, I am happy he is at least speaking. I don't understand how the so called front runners can sit back and say nothing when I think most of their supporters would support them for doing so. Hell are the front runners speaking out about the patriot act? Are they speaking out about the attack on the constitution? How about health care with the insurance companies huge profits out of it? What exactly are our so called front runners speaking out on? isn't that what the American people need, a representative of the people, someone who will stand for US? I really don't understand what it is that Americans want in a politician or president anymore, I want someone to give me and my family a voice because we cant afford to buy a voice with a lobbyist like the corporations can.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:40 PM
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15. Dear Dennis,
Make sure you file the correct paperwork; we know you
have a problem with that.

Love,
America
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:40 PM
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16. what's keeping him?
is he keeping his powder dry? ;-)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:43 PM
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37. Didn't he make the promise a few weeks ago?
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:43 PM
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17. Chess game
If bush is the king, then Cheney is the queen and strategery says knock the bitch out to get the mate, eh?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:33 PM
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20. Old news. Get on with it, already!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:31 PM
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21. exactly..........Published: Friday September 28, 2007
did he make his floor speech since then ?......you know the 1 minute speeches before the regular session.if not....why not?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:39 PM
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22. "Seriously thinking" is way the fuck different than "seriously doing", Kuch. {nt}
uguu
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 08:27 AM
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32. It's not too easy for him when he's got so few Democrats with enough guts to back him up. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:46 PM
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23. Yes! Do it Dennis! We've got your back.
:applause: Dennis Kucinich :yourock:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:06 AM
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25. Yes. NOW n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:57 PM
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28. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

Indict the criminals that were put in by this criminal administration-use the facts of past "investigations" for that--no one is above the law, and our Constitution cannot be altered or abolished by anyone except we, the people, even though it has been papered over by more criminals.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 08:24 AM
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31. Thank God for Dennis Kucinich
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 08:25 AM by mtnsnake
At least we impeachment aficionados aren't completely alone as long as we have Dennis. What a difference between him and Pelosi. One is true to his ideals and the other is a chameleon with mega-carot diamond earrings.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:32 AM
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33. Typical Kucinich soundbyte...
I'ma gonna do this, do that, do something else. Got all these bills to write up...and now this.

This mugwump has no credibility. Perhaps thats why this campaign is his hobby.

Old news what hes gonna do.

Keebler elf sells cookies...what does Kucinich do?
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:06 AM
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34. That would be good. It might even boost him in the polls
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:09 AM
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35. Talk, talk, talk...
How about doing something and then talking about it later?

I don't believe he'll do anything. This is media crap to feed and energize his supporters, that's all.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 10:04 PM
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38. But as long as he is SAYING the right things, his supporters will be satisfied
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:45 PM
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40. Do it, Dennis
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:46 PM by sakabatou
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