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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:42 PM Original message |
14 year old eye witness to boot camp beating talked to the Miami Herald last year. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. That whole "boot camp" format sounds like a MAGNET for sadists |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. The whole fucking criminal-injustice system is a magnet for sadists!!!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. The arrogant testimony of a guard. The nurse's testimony. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. I just don't understand |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
64. How stupid do they think we are? |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm afraid the only way this family will get any justice is if they copy the Boondock Saints |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Perhaps if they had been better parents their kid would not have wound up in |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Are you saying he deserved this treatment because he did |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. No, I am not saying that. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. That is an outrageously arrogant statement. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So, it is ok for you to judge the guards and the nurse, but not ok for me to judge the parents? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They are on video beating the kid for over 30 minutes. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. And where the hell were his parents? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Then who else of age 14 deserves to die? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I never said that he deserved to die |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. Arrogant much? He was murdered. oh, I know it only "counts" as involutary manslaughter |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Deleted message |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The "Prick" did not say that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. You blamed the parents. The kid is dead. You are wrong. Apologize. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. If the parents had kept him out of trouble he would not be dead |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I don't think you understand how cruel that sounds. How totally heartless. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I completely understand |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. This kid was a human being and did not deserve to die this way. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I agree that he did not deserve to die |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Sick, sick, sick. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
73. Sometimes even when parents do things right kids get into trouble, |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. What a great Reich-wing farting point. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Yes, that is exactly what he said. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I did not excuse the guards and nurse |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Totally arrogant and judging statement. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. If the guards and nurse can be judged, why not the parent? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. How dare you? Did you see the video? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Yes I saw the video |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Did you see the full video? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Yes, I did |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Deleted message |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I am not blaming the victim, Martin Lee Anderson |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. WTF? |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. And this is where the tough kids learn to behave. Not likely. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. "Well there are people in the darkness |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Beautiful words......Martin called himself a "shining star in the world" |
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grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. is there still hope that jusice will be served? |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. It made me feel the way I felt when I heard the acquittal |
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jackster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. and yet... |
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TexasBushwhacker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thankfully, there may be federal charges |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. I am retired from the Florida Department of Corrections. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. What makes you think it was a good program???? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. For first time, non violent offenders. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. Read the GAO report about these "good" programs. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Where did i say it was a good program? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
23. To the person who is judging the parents in the post above. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. I never said that Martin Lee Anderson deserved to be beaten |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You are choking on your words now. You need to back off. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Which words? When and where did I say Anderson deserved to die? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. As far as I am concerned, you will be talking to yourself. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I suppose if you cannot win an argument you can just put your fingers in your ears |
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kas125 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. I'm curious to know if you've had teenaged sons |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. He didn't even live with his parents. Either of them |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Freddie Stubbs |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. What I am saying is that if these parents had been more involved in their child's life, it would |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Freddie Stubbs |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Don't apologize. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. cat_girl25 |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. We know that the child did not live with his parents |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Freddie Stubbs |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I never said that the child not living with his parents was a reason for him to be mistreated |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Freddie Stubbs |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Diclotican, I have been reading some of your other posts here. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. madfloridian |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. I give up... |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. I understand how you feel. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Don't give up. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
54. What proponents of bootcamp for kids don't get. |
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