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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:29 AM
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Must Read. Juan Cole writing in Salon today: The Iran Hawks
The Iran hawks
By Juan Cole

Page 2 The Democrats (The first page is on the Republican hawks for Iran, particularly Rudy Giuliani)

Of the four senators among the Democratic candidates, only Hillary Clinton voted for the non-binding Kyl-Lieberman resolution on Sept. 26. The Kyl-Lieberman resolution, which passed 76-to-22, with 29 Democrats voting in favor, says, "the United States should designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization ... and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists." Jim Lobe, among the best journalists covering neoconservatism in Washington, wrote that unnamed "Capitol Hill sources" told him that the resolution was crafted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker, interviewed on "Democracy Now," concurred that the amendment was pushed by the Israel lobby.

It would be unprecedented to declare a military force of a state to be a "terrorist" organization, and illogical, since the formal definition of terrorism is that it is committed by non-state actors. It would also endanger U.S. troops, who might well be designated terrorists by some foreign governments. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said Sunday that she would not allow a similar resolution to be brought up for a vote in the House of Representatives, telling ABC's "This Week," "This has never happened before, that a Congress should determine one piece of someone's military is ."

Sen. Chris Dodd voted against the resolution on the grounds that it would green-light a Bush administration attack on Iran. Sen. Joe Biden also opposed it, though he argued that it was just a resolution and could not authorize a war. Sen. Barack Obama missed the vote because it was abruptly rescheduled after he had already left on a campaign swing, but when he learned of the rescheduling he issued a statement against the resolution. Obama blasted Clinton's vote for the resolution as a repeat of the mistake she made when she voted in 2002 to authorize the Iraq war. (Clinton muddied the waters somewhat by backing a resolution by Virginia Sen. Jim Webb requiring that Bush seek Congressional authorization before attacking Iran.) Some analysts suggested that Clinton is already thinking past the primaries. They believe she is making her decisions on the assumption that she will face a Republican hawk in the presidential contest of 2008, and therefore has to guard against charges that she is weak on national security. According to this analysis, the other Democratic candidates, trailing her, are still playing to the party faithful, who are to the left of the general public.

<>Since the International Atomic Energy Agency, which has been carrying out regular inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities, still cannot find good evidence for a weapons program, the overwhelming consensus to this effect in the U.S. is evidence of successful propaganda by the Bush administration and its enablers in the media. That Ahmadinejad, an Iranian Shiite who has repeatedly denounced Sunni fundamentalism and its terrorist activities, should be viewed as an al-Qaida sympathizer by the American public is a testament to how effectively he has been demonized.

Iran has not launched an aggressive war against a neighbor since 1785 and does not have a history of military expansionism. Its population is a third that of the United States and its military is small and weak. Aside from the Republican Party's long history of fear-mongering as a way to get power, throw public money to their corporate clients, and scare Americans into giving up their civil liberties, what is driving this obsession with Tehran?

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/10/17/iran/print.html


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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:32 AM
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1. Now, Iran has a friend in Russia, a nuclear power
And who drove them there? The idiots in charge.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:35 AM
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2. Re Obama's claim; both Dodd and Biden have said that
the vote was NOT suddenly changed.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:14 AM
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4. Perhaps you missed this recent post from Obamian citing the Senate transcript night before the vote
This is what Reid said the night before the bill

Mr. REID. Mr. Chairman, there will be no more votes tonight. We have tried to work something out on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment and the Biden amendment. We have been unable to do that.

We have been very close a few times, but we have just been informed that Senator Biden will not have a vote anytime in the near future. There will not be a vote on the other one anytime in the near future. We hope tonight will bring more clearness on the issue.”

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r110:S25SE7-0035 (temporary link)

Obama publicly announced at the time of the vote that he was opposed to the bill. All the presidential candidates in congress have been missing votes. Obama can't be blamed for missing a vote that he was told wouldn't occur.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3592288&mesg_id=3594044
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:01 AM
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3. "Since the International Atomic Energy Agency,
which has been carrying out regular inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities, still cannot find good evidence for a weapons program, the overwhelming consensus to this effect in the U.S. is evidence of successful propaganda by the Bush administration and its enablers in the media. That Ahmadinejad, an Iranian Shiite who has repeatedly denounced Sunni fundamentalism and its terrorist activities, should be viewed as an al-Qaida sympathizer by the American public is a testament to how effectively he has been demonized."

Unless the people can free themselves from the power of propaganda, it's simply (...) hopeless.

And in this struggle, the corporate media (whether witting, unwitting, or witless) is largely foe, not friend.

(Not that I trust the poll.)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:30 AM
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7. Most disturbing thing was reading that AIPAC was behind Kyl-Lieberman. Why is pro-Israel lobby
calling the shots in the Senate on Iran?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:19 AM
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5. So, given the choice between Dem Iran hawks and repuke Iran hawks
you chose criticize the dems
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:27 AM
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6. Yes. I think we can all agree that we disagree with Rudy Giuliani and his Republican ilk.
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