just a note to aLL the hiLLary foLks

your desperation is showing. hiLLary is no friend of the GLBT community.



hiLLary schmoozing it up with the rev. eugene rivers, one of boston's most outspoken homophobes.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rev.+eugene+rivers-&btnG=Google+Search


If he's a homophobe I can't find any evidence to support it...

maybe you're new to this computer stuff....

:puke:

runners ass by 20 to 30 points depending on the poll. I hate to see how DESPERATE she might get if she were only say 50 ahead.

Everytime Obama comes out with who he truly is...you always attempt beating up on Hillary for it!

Get this..Hillary is NOT Obama the "rookie"... and she does not support Obama's position on this.

They ALL do it. It's a shame but that's how they play the game.

...criticize Hillary for meeting with African-American leaders! Why are you such a racist? :sarcasm:

Besides, don't you know her nomination is inevitable? Get on the bandwagon now, or you've proven you want the Republicans to win! ( :sarcasm: -squared)

From the Democratic Underground forum?

I guess they all had better things to do !

:rofl:

Looks like the story was intentionally left out. I wonder why?

I might be flamed for this, but these people who preach intolerance and homophobia and bigotry, regardless of whether they're Christians (and they're really stretching the word "Christian" when they espouse these beliefs), these people need to be relegated to the fringe in politics. And it's wrong and shameful for political candidates to cater to these people. Even Senator Clinton (whom I do like). She, along with Obama, appeared on a GLBT Presidential forum some weeks back. It's blurring the message of inclusion, to say the least, to do things like cater to the likes of people like Reverend Rivers. Or Obama, in his situation.

One has to wonder what Hillary and the Reverend are plotting there in that pic....

Hmmmmm... <scratches head>

After all, Deval Patrick was sitting at the head table at that same dinner.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/20/sen_clinton_urges_use_of_faith_based_initiatives/

his cred remains intact.

as they dismiss anyone who doesn't annoint hiLLary.

but yeah, i've known since 2005 what a pandering, souL Less person she is.

:yoiks:

did she host the event?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/20/sen_clinton_urges_use_of_faith_based_initiatives/

On the eve of the presidential inauguration, US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton last night embraced an issue some pundits say helped seal a second term for George W. Bush: acceptance of the role of faith in addressing social ills.

In a speech at a fund-raising dinner for a Boston-based organization that promotes faith-based solutions to social problems, Clinton said there has been a "false division" between faith-based approaches to social problems and respect for the separation of church of state.

"There is no contradiction between support for faith-based initiatives and upholding our constitutional principles," said Clinton, a New York Democrat who often is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008.

Addressing a crowd of more than 500, including many religious leaders, at Boston's Fairmont Copley Plaza, Clinton invoked God more than half a dozen times, at one point declaring, "I've always been a praying person."

She said there must be room for religious people to "live out their faith in the public square."

The issue of faith in politics has been at the center of debate following the presidential election, with some arguing that Bush's strong identification with religious values was a key to his victory over Senator John F. Kerry.

The dinner was a fund-raiser for the National TenPoint Leadership Foundation and the Dorchester-based Ella J. Baker House. Both youth outreach programs are directed by the Rev. Eugene F. Rivers 3d, a leader of the clergy-based efforts to stem youth violence in Boston in the 1990s that has become a national model for community-police partnerships.

The minister has often criticized established black leaders and liberal politicians, saying they have failed to deal honestly with the problems of youth violence.

Rivers said he hoped Clinton's appearance last night would build broader support for an issue on which some Democrats have been skittish.

"She is in a position to articulate a progressive vision around this issue of faith and values," Rivers said.

"The Clintons, on faith-based solutions, have always been way ahead of the curve," said Rivers, citing President Clinton's support of a 1996 law banning the federal government from discriminating against religious organizations seeking funding available to groups delivering social services.

In her speech, Clinton praised the efforts of Rivers and others working to curb youth violence, saying those of faith are often most willing to walk the streets of the country's most dangerous neighborhoods to try to reach young people. Where others "see trouble," she said, Rivers and faith-based soldiers "see God's work right in front of them."

it's looks like horrible pandering to another bigot.

each side of the same issue and keeping her position on specific issues 'fuzzy'.

would think differently.

:hide:

OK!

Human Rights Campaign fully supports HRC the candidate.

Don't we want our President to support business, and wealthy people, and Wall Street, as well as Main Street, and workers, and everybody else? They're all Americans too.

Part of the problem is that the black church, not unlike many other churches, has not had a coherent theology of sexuality that would deal with the realities, the struggles, the difficulties of sex. It's not that the black church is actually homophobic. As I told a gay friend of mine, homophobia -- whatever that means -- is a symptom of a deeper issue, which is the black church has not dealt with the question of sex in a forthright way. There is not a systematic theology of human sexuality, of marriage, of fidelity. The black church has failed to present that and project that. As a result, many of the problems the black community has must be laid at the foot of the church.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week911/interview.html

Do you also find the above statement from the Reverand to be quite thoughtful?

You are conflating several issues...

I think the reverend is suggesting sexual orientation isn't as fixed or immutable as race...I disagree but I suspect a lot of African American folks don't think their race is as malleable as their sexual orientation...

I also think there's a difference between an African American leader stating that the civil rights struggle is not analogous to the struggle of gays for civil rights and an African American leader who thinks gay folks are "cursed" and can be "cured"... As a Christian and somebody who supports total equality under the law for every one I separate myself from both sentiments, however I separate myself from the latter comments a lot more...

Selective, eh...

http://www.thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr778_011905

Who sponsored this? Whats the context? So who's being selective? Is he even talking to her in the picture?

Thanks wiseass, I just recommended it too.

Sniffa has just as much right to make posts and start threads here as the next person.

thanks. :thumbsup:

then she's an idiot, too, and needs to renounce him.

But, if she was merely seated next to him at an event by the event organizers, I don't get the point of your post.

You have to give us more info.

she attended a fundraiser for one of his projects for black youth. A quote from Rivers himself:

"Rivers, who is a Democrat, says that he thinks Clinton's strategy is clever. "She doesn't share my view on gay marriage or gay rights, but we didn't talk about it because that was not the reason she was there," he says. He adds: "I think what Hillary Clinton actually wants is a more open-ended, less-polarized discussion of the issues. She understands you are not going to win presidential elections by taking a hard, non-negotiable line on these issues . You might be elected president of San Francisco, or you can be president of the lower east side of Manhattan or of Paris, France, but you're not going to get elected president of the United States."

IMHO, she was totally wrong in attending this fundraiser in 2005 and should not be consorting with bigots, even if they do good work in addition to the filth they spew.

She is as wrong as Obama is.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/04/15/finkelstein/index.html

the rest of that articLe is actuaLLy about her courting conservative reLigious figures.

She actually went out of her way to attend and support this event, knowing this guy's history with homophobia.

Dumb move.

but do you think if she hosted the event and invited him to attend, it would have been worse?

but that doesn't mean this is good. As you've noted, it isn't.

sitting next to Rivers.

Aren't pictures fun? It's great when you can provide your own context.

at which he was the featured entertainment?

A simple photograph doesn't really tell us anything.

I have done at dozens of weddings or award dinners

What is your point?

Politicians chat up all types of people, even enemies.

Again what is your point?


Does she need to wand everyone with a homophobe detector before having a chat?

:eyes:

:eyes:

No. Not at all. I'm denying that her supporters are "desperate," because she's pretty much got it in the bag.

you don't know what you're taLking about.

Hillary has not gotten a pass on LGBT... quite the opposite.

That is precisely why some people are so disappointed, because they DON'T like Hillary on GLBT issues and saw Obama as a white knight.

Disillusionment is never fun.

Imagine if Kucinich said tomorrow he should have voted for Kyl/Lieberman. It would make no sense to say "Yeah, well Hillary voted for it too." Kucinich supporters already know that... that's part of the reason they are Kucinich supporters.

about HRC, I have to ask:

WHEN will you get that sticky L fixed on your keyboard? :crazy:

So does Kucinich and Al Gore and Howard Dean.

"guilt by association" smear of yours.

What hypocrites. Today they're saying he's right for climbing in bed with the bigot, and if he throws his under the bus tomorrow, they'll say he's right about that, too...

The following is from the Laura Flanders book Blue Grit

The next Democratic candidate considering running for president would do well to talk to activists like Justin Turner of Cincinnati Citizens to Restore Fairness, fighting to overturn the anti-gay Article XII.

From a skimpy minority of 32 percent who voted in favor of repeal in February 2004, the Restore Fairness campaign won over 53 percent of the vote on November 2. The campaign set a goal of turning out 60,000 supporive votes; the repeal proposition won with over 65,000. The gains came disproportionately from the most conservative parts of town.

"The key was to put a human face on the message and to address it head on," Turner told me on the phone from his home after the proposition passed.

Kerry campaigned in Cincinnati with the losing, instead of the winning, side. he brought onto the stage with him the one group of African American leaders that was not part of the Cincinnati for Fairness Coalition.

And for some of those who want to lump all Obama supporters together like we all think alike:

I know why the campaign included McClurkin on the tour since he's a very popular gospel singer among church going black people. But, it's a bad move since he has said terrible things about gay people, not to mention his association with right wing evangelicals who support republicans. They probably didn't even know at the time that he made such statements since the focus was on getting popular gospel singers.

I emailed the campaign about the issue. Hopefully, there will be some answer to this McClurkin issue this week.

I just think it's more proactive to contact the campaign directly.

thank you for doing that. My concern is that there is a pattern here, as recently Obama very stupidly publically lauded Tom Coburn as his "good personal friend," when Coburn is the most viciously anti gay Senator in office (along with Inhofe.)

Either these are unfortunate missteps on Obama's part or he really has a terribly tin ear when it comes to gay issues. Either way, it's worrisome.

you still haven't answered all the requests for some sort of explanation?

You think just posting this picture is adequate. That's lame, even for you.

On the eve of the presidential inauguration, US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton last night embraced an issue some pundits say helped seal a second term for George W. Bush: acceptance of the role of faith in addressing social ills.

In a speech at a fund-raising dinner for a Boston-based organization that promotes faith-based solutions to social problems, Clinton said there has been a "false division" between faith-based approaches to social problems and respect for the separation of church of state.

"There is no contradiction between support for faith-based initiatives and upholding our constitutional principles," said Clinton, a New York Democrat who often is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008.

Addressing a crowd of more than 500, including many religious leaders, at Boston's Fairmont Copley Plaza, Clinton invoked God more than half a dozen times, at one point declaring, "I've always been a praying person."

She said there must be room for religious people to "live out their faith in the public square."

The issue of faith in politics has been at the center of debate following the presidential election, with some arguing that Bush's strong identification with religious values was a key to his victory over Senator John F. Kerry.

The dinner was a fund-raiser for the National TenPoint Leadership Foundation and the Dorchester-based Ella J. Baker House. Both youth outreach programs are directed by the Rev. Eugene F. Rivers 3d, a leader of the clergy-based efforts to stem youth violence in Boston in the 1990s that has become a national model for community-police partnerships.

The minister has often criticized established black leaders and liberal politicians, saying they have failed to deal honestly with the problems of youth violence.

Rivers said he hoped Clinton's appearance last night would build broader support for an issue on which some Democrats have been skittish.

"She is in a position to articulate a progressive vision around this issue of faith and values," Rivers said.

"The Clintons, on faith-based solutions, have always been way ahead of the curve," said Rivers, citing President Clinton's support of a 1996 law banning the federal government from discriminating against religious organizations seeking funding available to groups delivering social services.

In her speech, Clinton praised the efforts of Rivers and others working to curb youth violence, saying those of faith are often most willing to walk the streets of the country's most dangerous neighborhoods to try to reach young people. Where others "see trouble," she said, Rivers and faith-based soldiers "see God's work right in front of them."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/20/sen_clinton_urges_use_of_faith_based_initiatives?mode=PF

Oh, that they sure do.