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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:14 PM
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Edwards flies cut rate on his finance chair's jet
I'm curious about this item in the New York Times today in an article about campaign spending among the 2008 candidates.

John Edwards, who raised $7.1 million for the quarter but spent $8.2 million, was spending at a rate of $1.17 for every dollar raised in the third quarter.

One big savings for Mr. Edwards is his use of the private jet of Fred Baron, a trial attorney, who is allowed to charge the campaign discount rates. Mr. Edwards paid Mr. Baron $234,000 for the use of his jet. Mrs. Clinton used chartered jets, which cost more, and paid $1 million.


In August ABC reported:

The Edwards campaign has paid more than $430,000 to Fred Baron for the use of his private plane, according FEC documents.

Baron, a successful asbestos trial lawyer, is a former president of the Association of American Trial Lawyers and is currently the national finance chair of Edwards’ ‘08 presidential bid.


The New York Times in May:

As of the end of June, donations from lawyers accounted for little more than a fourth of the $23 million raised by Mr. Edwards. By comparison, lawyers donated roughly half the $12 million he had raised by the end of the first half of 2003, two and a half months before he officially declared his candidacy.

Still, it is hard to overstate lawyer donations’ continuing importance to Mr. Edwards’s campaign. While he may trail Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama in the polls and in overall fund-raising, he is ahead, though slightly, in such contributions. Through the first two quarters of this year, he had received $6.5 million from lawyers, compared with $6.3 million for Mrs. Clinton and $5.5 million for Mr. Obama.

In fact, of his campaign’s top 20 donors, 15 are from law firms and 12 from the plaintiffs’ bar. No other single industry accounted for more than 2 percent of the $23 million he raised through the first two quarters. Mr. Obama, who raised $59 million, and Mrs. Clinton, who raised $63 million, have tapped a far broader range of sectors.

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Mr. Baron, who did not respond to a request for an interview, is Mr. Edwards’s finance chairman and has made his Hawker 800 corporate jet available to the candidate at discount rates. Through 2004, he and his former law firm had donated $407,000 to Mr. Edwards’s senatorial and presidential campaigns and his political committees, according to the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, in Washington. This year, Mr. Baron and his wife have donated $9,200 to the Edwards presidential candidacy, while his former law firm has donated $23,000.


I guess it's legal what with all these lawyers involved, but it strikes me as very odd that a campaign official can do this. Edwards pays Baron, his own bundler-in-chief, a fraction of the cost of a private jet thus receiving an in kind contribution from Baron for the remainder. Baron, Edwards's finance chair in 2004 and now again in 2008, is a former head of the Trial Lawyers Association which lobbies on behalf of trial lawyers. As finance chair, he also coordinates law firm bundles of campaign donations from trial lawyers who have lobbyists representing them in Washington.

With typical Edwards sanctimony, he criticizes his opponents, while his own financial affairs are pretty smelly.



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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:21 PM
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1. He's running quite a scam
with his clean money campaign.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:22 PM
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3. scam? where is the scam?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:11 PM
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21. He's pretending he's something he's not, and therefore scamming the voters.
There's a reason he's in 4th place behind a guy not even running.
Democrats aren't as stupid as the rural jury members Edwards made his fortune off of.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:21 PM
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36. see post #21
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:21 PM
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2. Great! It shows that there will be more trial lawyers in his gov't, exactly what we need,
and that he knows how to budget. sounds good to me. If I had a jet, I would lend it to him for free.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:51 PM
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12. This won't fly with the general electorate.
Great! It shows that there will be more trial lawyers in his gov't, exactly what we need,


Edward's supporters must all be deluded trial lawyers.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:53 PM
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13. what are you talking about?
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:01 PM
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15. Well...no.
I'm not a trial lawyer. Oh...I'm not deluded either.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:51 PM
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24. For sure we don't need more oil men
What was the word on the street before the Oil administration came to town, oh we need the oil men they will know how to solve the energy crisis.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:17 PM
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4. Good
Trial layers, like John, fight against the interests of big corporations not for them. A welcome change.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:24 PM
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5. The Association of American Trial Lawyers don't lobby do they?
Or are ex-lobbyists exempt?
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:25 PM
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6. So a candidate
who doesn't have as big a war chest as the top 2 candidates has a friend who gives him a discount on the use of his jet, and this same friend donates to the candidate's campaign. So what?
Maybe people here should spend time trying to dig up dirt on the republican cadidates instead of our Dem candidates.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:33 PM
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7. This is about as crucial as the Hillary cat story.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:37 PM
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8. Waaaa! And his hair is TOO pretty. Waaaa! And his house is too nice. Waaaa!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:11 PM
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9. These Edwards critics must be dyed in the wool Hillary supporters.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:05 PM
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16. Former Clark sycophants who never got over Edwards kicking the General's ass in 04.
I swear there's got to be a 12 step program that could help.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:07 PM
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17. I'm still a Clark sycophant, just so you know
:hi:

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:13 PM
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18. I take exception to the word "sycophant". n/t
TC

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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:14 PM
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19. There is some irony that a few of the same people who passionately supported a candidate in 2004
when that candidate had been a Republican until very shortly before the 2004 campaign are now the least willing to accept that another candidate who has been a Democrat all his life could have a change of heart over his vote on the Iraq war.

Most Clarkies aren't like that, but some are (as are some Richardson supporters, some Hillary supporters, one Edwards supporter who was tombstoned, one Kucinich supporter I could name but won't, etc.).

I have come to the conclusion that some people (including some who post here) support their favorite Democrat (chosen by some mysterious criteria that doesn't appear to be ideological) and slag the other Democrats with the same level of intellectual rigor that other people use when voting for an American Idol candidate -- to them, it's not about ideology but only about whether their favorite wins.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:22 PM
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20. LOL
good one...
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:03 PM
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27. Yeah, same old Edwardian attack the messenger bullshit.
Clark isn't running. Edwards is still lagging. He finds it necessary to attack other candidates to get attention. The problem is that he still doesn't get the message that people in glass houses should not throw stones. His supporters can't defend the practice, so they just pick up a hand full of rocks and start chucking.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:30 AM
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28. You're obviously DLC. Will you vote for a con if Edwards is the nominee?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:37 AM
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29. hilarious
you answered a post about name calling, attack the messenger tactics, by employing that exact tactic. lol.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:12 AM
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32. I don't care for hypocrisy, so I am DLC?
I will vote for the Democratic ticket. However I would like that ticket to be qualified for the job. Edwards was a DLC member, I have never been, nor am I, DLC. The winds have changed for Edwards, the windsock.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:34 AM
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30. Really something, isn't it?
'Tis quite a thing to behold.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:16 AM
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33. Still working it?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:16 PM
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34. Still noticing it
It's a shame really. Such a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use.

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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:20 PM
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35. When is acceptable to point out hypocrisy and for which candidates?
Repeating bullshit about certain posters is so productive, right?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:14 PM
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10. I just heard figures that say Edwards would win against Giuliani or
Romney by a wider margin than Hillary would.
No, I don't have a link .. I heard it on radio.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:17 PM
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11. Let me rephrase
I guess it's legal what with all these lawyers involved, but it strikes me as very odd that a campaign official can do this. Clinton pays Baron, her own bundler-in-chief, a fraction of the cost of a private jet thus receiving an in kind contribution from Baron for the remainder. Baron, Clinton's finance chair in 2004 and now again in 2008, is a former head of the Trial Lawyers Association which lobbies on behalf of trial lawyers. As finance chair, he also coordinates law firm bundles of campaign donations from trial lawyers who have lobbyists representing them in Washington.


Does it look any different to you?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:59 PM
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14. And Biden takes commercial flights wherever he goes.
So does Dodd.

No extra jet fuel being burned for those two.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:54 PM
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26. John Edwards has two small children and a wife with cancer
He needs a private jet, reason the clintons aren't using jets, probably goes back to Bill, using Tysons Food, Jet and getting a lots of flack over it.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:14 PM
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22. Probably the best atttack I've seen on Edwards yet.
It's refreshing in a way. So far they've all been over the most absurd things one could possibly imagine.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:48 PM
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23. 23,000 from his former law firm...my I would feel slighted
If the former company I worked for only helped me to the tune of 23,000 dollars
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:52 PM
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25. There's that corporate jet to consider
Lots and lots of dough as an in-kind contribution. Maybe it makes up some for the measly 23 thou.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:14 AM
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31. Sorry to disappoint, but your Right Wing anti-trial-lawyer message gets no traction
:pfffft:
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