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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:28 PM
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Hillary Draws Thousands In Fresno


Updated 12:05 p.m.: Thousands of people outside Fresno High School listened and cheered this morning as presidential candidate Hillary Clinton capped a campaign rally with her favorite themes: affordable health care, renewable energy and an end to U.S. fighting in Iraq.

The Clinton campaign claimed 7,500 turned out for the rally along a closed Echo Avenue, which fronts the high school. Fresno police spokesman Jeff Cardinale, however, said the crowd count was between 2,500 and 3,500.

The U.S. senator from New York took the stage, set up on the sidewalk along Echo, at 9:47 a.m. and spoke for 30 minutes.

"Let me ask you: Are you ready for change?" the Democratic candidate said, in a slightly hoarse voice, to cheers from the placard-waving audience.

Clinton, whose brief campaign stop in the Central Valley was expected to move on to San Francisco later today, touched on her centerpiece proposal of broad, affordable health care. But the loudest cheers came from her call to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq and her promise to respect the Constitution -- a slap at some of the anti-terrorism tactics used by the Bush administration.

http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/photo/story/170735.html
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:32 PM
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1. hahahahaha !
So, the whole town turned out, huh ? And to to top it off, a town that's mostly republican.

Wow ! What a crock of shit. :rofl:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:33 PM
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3. I live in California and Fresno is about as RED as they come.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:36 PM
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5. I'm well aware of that
I live in Cali too, and work w/ many Dems from the area....believe me, it aint Hillary country. And BTW, that picture definintely is not in Fresno. :rofl:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:42 PM
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12. How about this one???
It's from the Fresno Bee. Pick that apart.


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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:52 PM
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25. I love Mary Wilson !
That is your point isnt it ? LOL !
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:55 PM
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27. OK!
Peace!

You hit my soft spot.

Praise Mary!
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:56 PM
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29. Besos (and hugs too!)
:rofl:
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:37 PM
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6. Isn't that the freep capital of the U.S...
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:40 PM
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40. But of course,
because ONLY people from Fresno belong to FR. :eyes:

The geographical bigotry on this board never ceases to astound me.

Just for the record, Fresno County went to Clinton. Twice.

LTH,
Fresno, CA
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:48 PM
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61. The home of Free Republic ....
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 09:52 PM by AntiFascist
this should tell you something about Hillary's supporters. :hide:

On edit: sorry I didn't even notice the post above mine.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:40 PM
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9. You don't know shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno,_California

Fresno is the sixth largest city in California. Population of 481,035.

Hardly "the whole town".

Smoke your way out of that one.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:44 PM
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13. I also know their population....
as well as their voting trends.

I'm quite surprised that YOU would come on to ME like that. Hillary Clinton is not where we should part ways. :evilfrown:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:45 PM
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15. If you're so aware of the population ...
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:49 PM by ronnykmarshall
why the "so the whole town showed up" shit?

Sorry, but I read the post and didn't see who posted it. Regardless, I think it was wrong.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:07 PM
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34. In all seriousness...
You are correct about the actual population. But the repukes vastly out number the Dems in the surrounding area and control most of the politcal machine. It's largely rural and is probably the largest concentration of unducumented workers in the country.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if ANY candidate running for President would draw a large crowd, since it's not one of the places many think to stop in.

Cheers...and keep working hard for your favorite. Mine still hasn't declared.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:45 PM
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14. As Bill Mahr says, "you can't make this shit up".
If some people only knew what they actually looked like when they posted something really stupid.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:32 PM
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2. Go Go Hill
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:33 PM
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4. And she also drew thousands of dollars from poor people in China Town.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:38 PM
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7. ...and the cash from RW gay-bashers is undoubtedly pouring into Obama's coffers.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:41 PM
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10. Got a link? He is FOR gay rights. You're just using guilt by association and
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:43 PM by jenmito
trying to avoid addressing my point.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:46 PM
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16. Are you going to join him on the BIGOT TOUR in South Carolina?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:49 PM
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20. Obama's not a bigot. He's FOR gay rights. Are you going to support Hillary's
illegal campaign donations from non-existent people?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:50 PM
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23. He's headlining the South Carolina BIGOT TOUR!
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:50 PM by William769
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:58 PM
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30. You're getting desperate AND avoiding Hillary's shady donations.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:59 PM by jenmito
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:00 PM
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32. I'm not avoiding anything.
I'm concentrating on the Obama headlining the South Carolina BIGOT TOUR!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:41 PM
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:44 PM
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48. I have spoken up in the threads that are about it.
Unlike some people I try to stay on topic. But some people who are foaming at the mouth, don't seem to understand that.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:53 PM
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50. Nice try. I'll remember that.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 05:56 PM by jenmito
So it's not that you support her shady donations...it's just that this isn't the right place to discuss it even when someone brings it up...but it IS the right place to talk about Obama. Right. Gotcha! :hi:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:56 PM
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51. Wheres your gotcha?
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:01 PM by William769
I still want to know if your joining Obama on his BIGOT tour of South Carolina, which he himself is headlining.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:59 PM
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52. You claim this isn't the place to talk about Hillary's shady donations but then you go on to
talk about Obama? Gotcha! :rofl:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:00 PM
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53. Well since you changed the subject, why not?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:03 PM
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54. Because that's not what this thread's about. You should ignore my post.
Selective responses anyone? :rofl:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:04 PM
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55. Like you ignoring if your going to be with the South Carolina Bigot tour?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:40 PM
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59. I've addressed that absurd question from the first time you asked it...
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:41 PM by jenmito
I still don't know how you feel about Hillary's shady donations from China Town, though.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:38 AM
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72. i think thee foams at the mouth too much...
the ww and william spam brigade, wooooo
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:25 AM
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73. I agree...
Thanks for noticing. :hi: :)
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:44 PM
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47. Your avatar signed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" & DOMA.
You are in no position to criticize.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:23 PM
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58. ..which was supported by... who?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:03 PM
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70. Well, I didn't hear her rebuttal,
so I'm assuming she was for it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:57 AM
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71. so, let's agree here - silence equals approval?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:40 PM
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8. Can she do the same in places like Nebraska ? nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:47 PM
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18. What Democratic candidate can?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:34 PM
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37. Edwards was cleaning up in Kentucky recently eom
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:37 PM
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38. Is Kentucky Nebraska?
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 04:39 PM by William769
ON EDIT: I also can't seem to find any polls coming out of Kentucky.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:35 PM
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43. Rural America. Hilary can't win in rural America and in fact those folks are most irate with her
Edwards, on the other hand speaks their language and shares their concerns. Just tellin' like it is.

"Far more than the 229 residents of Columbus, Ky., greeted presidential candidate John Edwards when he made a campaign stop in the Western Kentucky town on the Mississippi River today. "At least 1,500 people showed up," reports Jose antonio Vargas of The Washington Post. "As unlikely as it seems, this event in the heart of rural America was the result of online grass-roots organizing.""

http://irjci.blogspot.com/2007/10/edwards-takes-campaign-to-tiny-columbus.html
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:42 PM
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45. Well being a hillbilly from Appalachia (S.E. Kentucky to be exact)
Edwards is not well liked in those hills. The women on the other hand are over enthusiastic about Hillary, So I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:15 PM
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56. Rural Americans for Hillary hold mtg at lawfirm that lobbies for Monsanto
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:15 PM by EVDebs
http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/10/rural_americans_for_hillary.html

I'll betcha you didn't show yer gals and buds in the holler 'bout this.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:41 PM
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11. Hillary will be the 44th President of the United States! Thanks, William.
:hi:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:46 PM
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17. Anytime.
:hi:
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:45 PM
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42. Ummm, how about January 20, 2009?
:bounce:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:48 PM
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19. "The Clinton campaign claimed 7,500... police said the crowd count was between 2,500 and 3,500"
Are we supposed to be impressed?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:49 PM
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21. Just goes to show I'm not afraid to post the whole truth.
Like say some people are?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:49 PM
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22. You must take a lot of fiber.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:51 PM by ronnykmarshall
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:55 PM
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28. It was actually 7,500,000...all with signs and all screaming at the top of their lungs
The crowd was so huge that they were still standing in line in Santa Cruz of Surfers For Hillary trying to get a glimpse...

:sarcasm:

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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:59 PM
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31. STOP IT !
:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:51 PM
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24. Any video available of the event?
I want to hear her "slightly hoarse" voice...

:rofl:


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:53 PM
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26. To go with her cackle?
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 04:10 PM by William769
Man when people post about things like that, you know Their candidate is DONE.

ON EDIT: changed there to their to appease zulchzulu.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:06 PM
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33. "you know there candidate"
You know the difference between "their" and "there", right?

:rofl:

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:08 PM
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35. I also know when a person is lying about an endorsement.
Your serve.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:43 PM
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46. Do you wanna...
...bet money that Feingold does or doesn't endorse Obama by December?

$100.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:51 PM
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49. I wanna know why someone felt the need to post misinformation (thats putting it lightly)
An educated guess would be someone looking for attention, knowing by the time he listed it would have been forgotten. Well guess what? It wasn't.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:03 PM
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63. So I take it that you don't want to bet...
Bawk bawk...

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:42 PM
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41. A Grammar Maid
How charming...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:12 PM
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36. Obama draws much larger crowds where they pay $30 to see him
:rofl:

I liked this part of the article:

"A group of protesters were cordoned off in an area to the side of the main rally. Before Clinton took the stage, organizers put up a 10-foot-wide, 6-foot-high barrier that blocked the protesters from view."

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:39 PM
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39. I Don't Believe You. Everybody Hates Her
The picture is obviously photoshopped


:sarcasm:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:17 PM
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57. David Sirota's blog on Rural Americans For Hillary is a howl !
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:22 PM by EVDebs
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:16 PM
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60. "Rural people are dumber than dirt."
Yep. Way to win friends (and votes) and influence people.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:43 PM
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67. That was one of the Hillary supporters. Wink wink, nod nod ! nt
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:51 PM
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62. well that's not very many...
we had 15,000 in Washington Square Park in NYC for Barack Obama. i don't support Obama btw, i am kucinich through and through. i'm just saying, why are people going nuts over this?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:11 PM
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64. I was there
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 10:19 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Got there at 5:45 this morning and met up with another Dem friend. There were a lot of people, and since I do live (40 miles south of Fresno) in a red part of CA, it was good to see so many Democrats turn out. There were people of all ages and ethnicities there.

I am not a Hillary fan, but should she get the nom, I will vote for her. I was not totally impressed today, but again...it was about 3,000+ people. I was near the stage.

Am not sure why there's so much dissing of Fresno, (or is this just dissing of HRC? :shrug: ) The San Joaquin is important to the entire nation in terms of food production, cotton and more. Yes, FReepville is here, and yes, it is quite red here. And, while I would rather live in a more blue area, am personally living in this area just to be near my grandchildren.

I went to see Hillary because it was an historic moment for this often ignored area of CA, in terms of Democratic candidates, especially Democratic presidential hopefuls, coming here. Last time this happened was in 1992 when Bill Clinton came to town.

Democrats came from all over the central valley area today. This is a very big area, mostly rural, and many traveled some good distance to attend today.

Not all there were in total support of Hillary, but all of us there were joined by the one common thread: We believe in our party.

Kudos to those who attended. I was glad and proud to be in the company of so many Democrats.





I support and appreciate all of you for being here and being Democrats.
After reading so many of the negative posts here about this event, it saddens me to read such ugly comments.


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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:15 PM
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65. i blame the bad reputation of Fresno squarely on the rounded shoulders of
Rim Job from Free republic, he lives there and thats given Fresno a bad name (unfairly) here at Du. I live in Elk Grove--you wanna talk problems--man we got some big, no HUGE problems here in Elk Grove.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:43 PM
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66. There were Democrats there today; thousands of Democrats
regardless of the fact that the FReeps base is in Fresno.

Makes me sick to read so much disgust of Democrats gathering, if only for a chance to bash FR and/or HRC.

There are Democrats in Fresno and surrounding areas. It was wonderful to see so many of them all in one place when so many times I do feel in the political minority living in the valley.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:49 PM
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69. "Billions and billions"...Carl Sagan nt
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:49 PM
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68. And from the Bakersfield area former Rep Bill Thomas

Fiery GOP representative won't pursue 15th term
Bakersfield's Thomas -- influential leader of Ways and Means
March 7, 2006

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/07/MNGAFHJJLB1.DTL
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