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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:32 PM
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I am tired of you all telling me I am an anti-religious bigot
simply because I think McClurkin is a bigot. The man all but said attack Harvey Milk School. Even leaving that out, those ex gay camps prey upon the weak and vulnerable and literally terrorize kids into changing. I went to church yesterday. Stop calling me a bigot simply because I don't think religion is an excuse to hate.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:35 PM
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1. Exactly, we aren't the ones broadbrushing groups of people, they are. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:37 PM
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2. Bigotry is still Bigotry, even when it's been godwashed. We're with you on this! n/t
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:39 PM
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3. This issue has NOTHING to do with religion
It has to do with hatred. Obama supporters are unsuccessfully trying to convince people that this has to do with religion.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:40 PM
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5. For some people, it IS about religion
No one said it was about religion for everyone though.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:44 PM
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9. And that's supposed to make it acceptable? n/t
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:40 AM
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28. What the hell?
I never said it was acceptable to be anti-religious! What the hell are you talking about Solon?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:59 AM
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31. If someone is a bigot, and use their religious beliefs to justify, that doesn't make it acceptable..
the issue here is bigotry, NOT what is used to justify said bigotry. If a secular person said or believes something that is bigoted, we call them a bigot, no problem, why should a Christian who uses some verses in the Bible to justify their bigotry any different?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:41 PM
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7. And that's damned near as offensive as the attitudes of McCloset. n/t
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:42 PM
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8. Of course they are
That way they can detract from the real issue and play the "religious persecution" card. They get much more sympathy that way.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:36 AM
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20. it breaks my heart every day to see what christians go through
in our country. :cry:

do you know that in most communities that christians have to hide their reLigion?

they pray on the DL.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:16 AM
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22. Indeed
Why, just last week I heard about a young man who was strapped to a fence and beaten to death for being Christian. The humanity! :wow:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:12 AM
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32. Praying silently to yourselves is always an option. No one objects to that.
But to want to have demonstrative praying at meeting and in class rooms is what some object too. People pray in public all the time. There are churches on every corner. Many Christians wear the cross as jewelry, etc. We can't say the pledge of allegiance w/o including the Christian God. Catholics genuflect in public all the time. On the view there are two Christians that talk about their religion every day. Lots of athletes say thanks to God on TV when they win. Christianity is everywhere. Bushco says he talks to God. Pat Robertson and other evangelists get lots of MSM time.

Please give example of Christians having to hide their religion.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:51 AM
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24. Bingo! n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:40 PM
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4. tolerate the intolerant or you are JUST as bad!
:sarcasm:

be thankful McClurkin isn't a morbidly obese guns-rights advocating pit bull.

to paraphrase: forget it, dsc, its DUtown.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:40 PM
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6. Join the club
Of course as an atheist I'm automatically branded anti-religious, but this has been worse than ever. And most of it is coming from one person in particular, who can't seem to understand that it has nothing to do with McClurkin's religion--it's his homophobia. And it doesn't matter whether he was raped or what the Bible says, etc. Homophobia is homophobia, and it's wrong. Period.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:22 PM
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14. Let's not be blind to the reality that RELIGION is a subject unlike any other ---
that's why our Founders separated Church & State ---
they didn't separate Rice Krispies & State --
or Lawyers & State ---

Historically, it is organized patriarchal religions which have taught hatred and intolerance for homosexuals ---

And, anyone who is still involved with an organized patriarchal religion that still holds homosexuality as "offensive in the eyes of god" has a choice of supporting human rights or their church.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:28 AM
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19. You wouldn't know that
By the way our politicians are behaving lately. :-(


And sadly religions can choose to support both human rights and their church, but many choose not to.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:59 PM
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34. Right -- the founders knew that using the FLAG and/or RELIGION were two immediate ways . . .
to confuse and corrupt the process --

They actually pointed to it as dangerous areas ---

And the GOP has wrapped itself in the flag like mummies --
and used religion like soap --

and it worked -- !!!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:13 PM
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36. Indeed
God bless Amurka! (and God damn everybody else)


Sin your ass off all week, for you shall be absolved on Sunday. And it doesn't matter anyway for ye are saved!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:05 AM
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25. No, that's not true
It's entirely possible to support a church without supporting all the positions associated with it, provided you support a sufficient majority of them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:59 PM
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35. If you're conscience doesn't work, you can do anything -- !!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:45 PM
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10. "We ALL" are NOT saying that....
I guess I've missed the posts to which you refer? :shrug:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:45 PM
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11. HE IS A BIGOT!
Love your photo of the great Howard Dean -DNC
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:04 PM
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12. I really don't give a fuck cause I think Obama is as much of a
corporate whore as Hillery and have no plans to vote for either of them. Kucinich. If not Kucinich, Edwards. No more corporate whores for President. No more corporate whores for senate! Fuck Polosi, fuck Dianne Lieberman and fuck Joe Fienstien!
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:33 PM
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13. But some of us called you a bigot for other reasons...
what about us? you must be tired of us calling you an anti-religious bigot.

what do we have to do to get some recognition around here?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:31 PM
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15. Here's the distinction:
1. "McClurkin is an ignorant hate-filled bigot."
No problem.

2. "Christians are ignorant, hate-filled bigots."
Real problem with that.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:07 PM
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16. Quite right. There's a logical fallacy at play here. nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:52 PM
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17. Certain areas of the country - the fundamentalist folk who are always such haters
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 10:54 PM by truedelphi
and Wrapping themselves up inside the robes of Christ are about the only Christians around.

Until you experience that, you might not understand.

When I lived in a metropolitan area, I never mistook "Christianity" for a war-mongering, gay-hating, close minded way of life. But now in the rural area where I live, that about sums it up.

Nowadays, when someone tells me they are a Christian, I flinch. Involuntarily.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:10 PM
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18. One of the newer members of my parish grew up in such an area
and came to my church for a concert in which her sister was performing. She said that at that time, it was only her support for her sister that would have made her set foot in a church.

However, she realized that the atmosphere here was entirely different.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:54 AM
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21. "always" being the offending term there.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:42 PM
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33. Look - 100% equals Always, doesn't it?
Sure there are Mormons, Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans and just regular people-style Christians in these parts. However they are the silent majority. Very silent.

But 100% of the time - if someone ANNOUNCES to me how they are a Christian, and is extremely vocal,
and starts to proselytize - that person turns out to be a close minded, gay hating, war-mongering
Fundie.

And because of that I have come to experience the "term" Christian on a new level.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:29 PM
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37. I'm not questioning your experience.
It just seems that whenever we refer to groups of people with terms like "always" or "never" or "all" there's often a chance that people are being included who shouldn't be. That just kind of seemed to be the point of the thread to me.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:22 AM
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23. I had my church called a business
and others have been accused of saying all Christians when they clearly stated McClurkin.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:15 AM
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26. How about
"Those Christians are ignorant, hate-filled bigots."

Or better yet,

"Those Christians that Clinton and Obama are snuggling up to in order to get votes are ignorant, hate-filled bigots."

Cause that's what I've been saying and many, many people are telling me that is horrible.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:56 AM
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30. Problem is a homophobic Christian started with calling Christianity homophobic...
It didn't start with the people who called McCloset a fucking homophobe.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:19 AM
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27. You're right. The problem is that your justified outrage is drowned by the fake outrage of people
who would not be outraged if it was their candidate doing that. They would say it is good politics just as some Obama supporters are saying.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:20 AM
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29. sounds enlightened to me. nt.
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