It's time to initiate a draft. Before we go to war with Iran and possibly Russia

we need a stronger Army. Time to initiate a draft. Congress needs to tell the President that either withdraw or initiate a draft. If the Republicans want a war country then they need to beef up our military. We need to bring the national Guard troops home to protect the homeland.

Either end the war or start the draft, including females.

Cut it all.

WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????

Time to abolish and outlaw the military industrial complex that has taken us into this disastrous situation.

Keep your hands off my kids.

Bush** won't get the blame for a draft if Congress passes it.

If he institutes a draft by executive order, it will likely be accompanied by a declaration of martial law, after which public opinion will not matter.

:shrug:

Draft people are unpredictable- Mercs will work for pieces of paper that are printed by the people hiring them.

Far better to have a sucker that thinks he's working for himself.

I assume you were being facetious.

Unless you have a stake in these wars, the majority of americans don't even care. It's just everyday news. Authorize the draft, give americans (rich and poor alike)a stake, enact local law enforcement to monitor and root out draft dodgers, secure the borders (along with air travel restrictions so there are no "escapees"), monitor all higher learning institutions and watch all hell breaks loose. We don't want "peacekeepers", We need male/female solders, sailors, marines and airman ready to support the fight or on the front lines. No substitutes fr the real thing. It would nice to see our politician's, media types and personality figures and unattached americans "sweat it out" and get involved with the rest of us.

2/3 of us are already demanding an end to the war. If that isn't enough, what is?

Yes, the people do care, but Congress is being threatened/blackmailed so they will not listen to us.

No amount of calling/writing/petitioning/visiting our Congresscritters is going to end this war.
No amount of protesting is going to end this war.
The only way it will end is if they have no troops to fight it with.

They know this. They want the draft, but they want the Democrats to get the blame for it,
which we will, if the Democratic Congress passes such a thing.

What would happen is the Democrats would pass the draft and before it was ever fully implemented the public would vote their asses out. Republicans would take control of Congress, repeal the draft, and look like heroes.

Nice plan.

of the local JC have been approached to fill Selective Service positions. They were asked to be quiet so as to prevent rumors and that they will just filling spots due to death or illness.

One day, no draft. Next day, draft?

out for Mr. Awol and gang? If you think a draft is going to scare the thugs into ending the war, think again. They've been there done the deferment route already and know exactly how to keep their own out of harm's way. But they'll send my three sons in a heartbeat.

I'll never support a draft or war. I don't support profit trumps healthcare or profit trumps domestic jobs or power trumps peace. Why not elect someone that will stop all this shit instead of trying to put a band-aid on an amputated limb?

If there was a draft would you expect them to draft all physically and mentally ill people? Do you expect them to draft all the future bankers and doctors of America? That's not the way a draft works and never will be. As long as they have to make one exception, the rich will capitalize on it. History has already proven this. Why do Americans always want to repeat their mistakes over and over and over again.

Sorry they can't have my kids as fodder in their sprint to own the riches of the world.

"Can't be fair"? Meaning that the rich get richer killing off those ugly poor people in order to acquire their treasures?

If you voted for a draft and my sons died while you were watching the occupations on your big screen TV, wouldn't you feel just a tiny bit responsible?

These are ILLEGAL OCCUPATIONS, not wars defending our country. WE WILL NOT DIE FOR OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*edited for spelling.

I apologize for making that personal. (can't edit it - but I've had coffee now /sigh) I should have said that I personally wouldn't be able to support a draft knowing that more children would be sent to their deaths in order for the criminals in charge to reap the perverted rewards.

Nothing would make Bush** and his gang happier than for the Democratic Congress to pass a draft.

All the cannon fodder they could ever want, and the DEMOCRATS GET THE BLAME!

They get to start even more wars that nobody want (except them), and they'd still sweep the 2008 elections.

Yes, the draft will make the people even more angry than they already are.
But who will be the target of that anger? It will be the Democratic majority that passes the draft.

The public is against the war in Iraq.

There will not be a draft without public support.

In order for the public to support a draft, there has to be another major attack on US soil or some other catastrophe that would convince a selfish and hedonistic public that they should subject their children, their spouses, and themselves to military conscription that will endanger their lives.

There will not be a draft without a corresponding escalation of war.

DO YOU WANT THAT?

marines and especially the national guardsmen to continue with unending deployments. The draft should be proposed. You talk about an end to this insanity; that should do it. Do you think all those college Pugs are going to Iraq? Hell, NO! This disastrous and murderous war would be over in a flash at the first serious mention of a draft.

With Bush and Putin at the helm, any war between the U.S.A. and Russia will go nuclear, and no amount of soldiers will protect us.

in their butts.

on this whole thing with Iran, he has a bill out, and he is questioning this whole Iran thing. Judy Woodruff was an ass when she interviewed him, god, why don't these reporters act like reporters instead of protecting this sick regime we have.

watch here:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/#

Congress that can't decide if they want war or not. Either end the war by defunding or support the poor worn out troops and bringing the National Guard home by drafting replacements. The Democrats can say that they don't want a draft but if Bushcorp insists on continuing and expanding the war,there is no other choice.

This proposal will also get the public, esp the repukes, to put up (their loved ones) or shut up about supporting the troops.

"Crap, or get off the pot!"

"but if Bushcorp insists on continuing and expanding the war,there is no other choice."

It wouldn't be expanding war. It would be expanding an already illegal operation in the Middle East. An occupation with very little support in the World.

The choice has been clear for a very long time. Impeach the President and Vice President of the United States. That would trump a draft in every way possible. It's an action that has just as much, if not more, chance of succeeding than a draft. The problem is that our Democratic Leaders are in lock-step with Bush and are playing master illusionists. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE "I" WORD BEHIND THE CURTAIN!! Two parties that represent 4% of the people and 100% of the corporations.

This country needs an enema. We need new leaders and fresh hope. Not another 20 years or so of our young people being scared to death to turn 18.

Democrats choice.

to use a draft as a bluff?

I'm confused as to whether you are proposing a draft as a bluff to end the "war" or to beef up the military as you suggest in your OP. If your intention is to bluff them into ending the war, then I'd prefer you put something other than my children's life on the line with your bluff. It would seem beefing up the military would be encouragement for more ILLEGAL OCCUPATIONS.

Impeachment proceedings, putting * and Cheney in the spotlight, would make it a lot harder for them to sell any escalations or new occupations don't you think?

with Iran and possibly Russia. Where as I do not want this war I really don't want to loose this war. Therefore if we are not going to end this war at least we should be prepared for a bigger war. To keep us without a strong Army in the hopes of BushCorp not extending the war is stupid. He will continue the war and not care if we are prepared. He is psychotic. This is a message for Democrats. Either end the war by stopping funding or properly prepare for a larger war. I don't want a draft but either stop the war or draft. Also, it isn't fair for the troops already in the war to carry the complete load. If the Democrats won't stop the war, then they should at least give the troops some support, human support. Also, it is important to bring the National Guard home. I am hoping of course, is that if the Democrats don't want to end the war but choose the draft the public will be outraged like you are.

their own agenda, wasn't a comment made by Cheney at one time, he doesn't care about the Republican party, these guys are pushing the PNAC envelope and they will keep on pushing until someone stops them.

Chelsea! Tent-Hut!

Why the fuck do you want to supply Bushco with enough manpower to fulfill his wildest dreams of empire? What the hell could make you even possibly think that this is a good idea?

They've always come from the left--just do a search of proposed draft legislation and you'll see it is always comes from left wing Democrats like Charlie Rangel.

Try again.

You are entitled to you opinion of course, but from the perspective of most Americans, I'm pretty sure Rangel is left wing.

So we will have to leave most americans out of this discussion. The opinion of the majority hardly determines where Mr. Rangel fits in on the political spectrum. He is a centrist authoritarian, hardly a socialist of any sort, and only in this nation would his centrist policies be considered 'left wing'.

What members of Congress would you consider to be left of Rangel?

While some of the progressive Democrats may actually hold socialist beliefs, they generally do so in private and run as center-right Democrats with the rest of the Democratic Party. For example, only a brave few in our party dare to champion single payer universal healthcare - extending medicare to everyone, while the party mainstream pushes center-right schemes to impose individual mandates on citizens and corruptly enfranchise the health insrance industry in perpetuity. But I understand your confusion, as in general Americans have a ridiculous 'ideology-free' notion of left/right.

I guess I'll have to settle for saying that those that support the return of the draft are to the left of those that oppose the return of the draft...

I don't give a flying #$%#$&**& what you call me. I support freedom, the Constitution and peace. Not the current Democratic Leaders. Thomas Jefferson would be ashamed of the current Democratic leaders. They are afraid to defend freedom and the Constitution.

or not?????? Some of them (Sen Clinton and others) supported the war from the beginning and will not commit to ending the war. Sen Clinton says she will "work" to end the war. F*** me. She will "work" to end the war. Sorry not good enough. End the war today or initiate the draft. The poor bastards that keep getting sent back and back and back. Either bring them home or draft replacements. Easy enough for you to figure out. How many more lives will be lost while we "work" to end the war?

And another thing, I ain't the left. I am average everyday American that is sick and tired of you friggin right wing wacko's calling me leftist. Ending the war isn't a leftist thing. It is a free American thing.

End the war today or initiate the draft.

You want to see an end to the war? Good, so do I. Just don't try to reach that goal by drafting and placing in harms way hundreds of thousands of unwilling people. My child is not a pawn for you to achieve your political ends.

fund any war in Iran should stipulate that, as a requirement, there must be a draft initiated in order to share any sacrifice.