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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:05 PM
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Glenn Hurowitz on Tucker sounding like an amateur
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:06 PM by wyldwolf
Some of the stuff he's saying sounds like he's been drinking the anti-Clinton DU Kool aid.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:05 PM
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1. He's a piece of work.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:08 PM
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2. let's go down the list
1. Hillary isn't popular on the internet. Duh?
2. Hillary isn't popular in the early states. Bullshit.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:09 PM
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4. Well Tucker wished him good luck ROFL
If this little weasle thinks he's a threat to Clinton's campaign, he's delusional.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:09 PM
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3. Probably telling it how it is on some issues
and certain people on the right don't like it....
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:10 PM
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6. no, he said one thing true in the entire segment - she isn't popular in the netroots
The rest was laughably naive.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:10 PM
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5. He sure is getting plenty of time, course
I don't know if thats good for him.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:11 PM
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7. he couldn't answer one simple question - what kind of candidate does HE think Democrats want?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:12 PM
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8. No he's on a "mission"
but I'd like to know who he's on a mission for.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:14 PM
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12. hint: He has nice hair
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:20 PM
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15. Ooooh...could be. The guy was a joke, that's for sure
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:20 PM
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16. I know he had Edwards pics all over his
website, but took them down when it became hmmm, a problem, but so far there's no proof that the Edwards campaign has any connection with this PAC. He may be just a nutcase supporter gone feral.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:14 PM
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11. He equated Hillary to McGovern, wtf? lol. n/t
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:16 PM
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13. He also called Kerry weak and vacillating.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:18 PM
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14. He was just making shit up!
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:21 PM by Jim4Wes
McGovern was a grassroots candidate, like we haven't seen since. Kerry lost for a couple of reasons, but not because he lacks character, that was very insulting.

On Edit: I see Dean as being closest to a McGovern type of candidate.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:21 PM
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17. someone with nice hair told him to say that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:13 PM
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9. and Tucker is as amaturist as his guest.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:14 PM
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10. yeah, well, that's true
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:22 PM
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18. Go Glenn! He sounded like MANY people who don't want Hillary to be our nominee!
:toast: He pointed out that she flip-flops, puts her finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, is too hawkish (thinking she'll look strong in the general since she already was coronated by the MSM in the primary) and is NOT the one to look for for change. I hope his group gets LOTS of coverage!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:23 PM
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19. He's going after Obama too.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:25 PM
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20. Not really.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:26 PM
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21. Wes Dem found the story,
I'll post the link if I find it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:32 PM
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24. It seems his MAIN target is Hillary judging by what he said tonight.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:35 PM
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25. Here's his site:
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:36 PM by seasonedblue
It looks like John Edwards, strangely enough, is the only who gets positive coverage. (well the only one living, he likes Wellstone too)

Barack Obama, Worlds Worst Negotiator

"On Tuesday, Barack Obama announced his support for President Bush's bid to expand the North American Free Trade Agreement to Peru.

Yup - Obama is once again helping pass one of President Bush's top priorities - even as Bush blocks the entire Democratic agenda and daily rains rhetorical abuse down on Democratic heads. Is this how Obama is going to negotiate in the White House?"

http://www.dcourage.com/
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:39 PM
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26. And this is their plan:
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:40 PM by jenmito
"Our Plan
We're planning on running hard-hitting, creative ads in key primary states highlighting why Senator Clinton should not be the first choice of voters who want to end the war in Iraq, fight global warming, win universal health care - or beat the Republicans. But we need your help to get those ads on the air."
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:44 PM
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29. If you think this guy is going to do Obama any good
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:45 PM by seasonedblue
go for it. He's pushing Edwards, that's the bottom line. He may be targeting Clinton because she's got the top spot, but he's going to try take out Obama too.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:44 PM
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35. His goal is to get rid of Hillary...
I don't think Edwards has enough money to continue on very long so while hurting Hillary and trying to help Edwards it could bring Edwards' supporters over to Obama if and when Edwards drops out.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:06 PM
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50. Yes, and if you get to see the tv ad...It sucks..
All the issues you mentioned cut into a 15 sec spot. The commercial is choppy, Obama falters when speaking and finishes with something like "People should be told what they need to hear"...that last phrase indicates appeasement..shameful.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:27 PM
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22. Thats one point of view, many would disagree
I think Hillary is a candidate who does not try to tell America what they want, that doesn't equate to not being a leader as the left wing charges. She is a candidate who can win the Whitehouse and she knows how to win against the RW and she has the right vision for America today.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:42 PM
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27. Many would agree with me, like Glenn and his supporters...
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 05:43 PM by jenmito
which is the topic of this thread.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:43 PM
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28. I'm not too worried
to tell you the truth, but that doesn't mean I agree with outside organizations campaigning against our primary candidates selectively.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:40 PM
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34. I'm hopeful...
If they start getting out the message that she's too hawkish AND too calculating.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:46 PM
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36. Is this the only tune you play
I think we all understand where you are coming from now.

:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:49 PM
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38. I'm posting on a thread about a guy on Tucker's show who feels the same way I do
You don't HAVE to reply to me if you don't want to. :shrug:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:51 PM
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39. Knock yourself out
make sure you get a reply in to everyone that isn't out to get Hillary, k?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:54 PM
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43. Don't worry...
I'll post what I want and you post what you want. :hi:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:48 PM
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37. yeah, amateurish and factually challenged
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:51 PM
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40. Not at all.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:51 PM
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41. completely
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:55 PM
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44. Not at all. Infinity!
I win. ;)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:57 PM
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45. Farmer's Markets and bumper stickers
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:29 PM
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23. That's not good for the Dem. Party in the gen. election. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:46 PM
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30. If she ends up not being our nominee because of this group, it could be GREAT for our party.
That's the whole point. Many of us think SHE isn't good for the party in the general election.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:53 PM
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32. Unless it means we lose the General election to the Rethugs.
That's a good possibility!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:29 PM
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33. But Glenn and others think we'll lose if she's our nominee.
As a matter of fact, we think that's a probability.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:52 PM
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42. based on... what?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:06 PM
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49. Based on all the things you've seen posted by me and others many times.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:25 PM
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54. people you talk to at farmer's markets, the number of bumper stickers you see...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:42 PM
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53. Experience
with all sorts of things.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:00 PM
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46. But not according to the polls.
According to my memory...the polls have Hillary beating all the Rethugs better than any of our other candidates. I like/love Obama and I hope he's our candidate in 2016. Then I truly think we and the whole country will be ready and waiting for Obama. Right now I think he needs more experience and the polls seen to indicate that as well...tho the polls could be wrong...won't be the first time. But right now I really think Hillary is more electable in the general and I'd hate to take a chance on losing out on the presidency. as I think she can win and I'm unsure about Obama.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:03 PM
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48. but according to people they talk to at farmer's markets, the number of bumper stickers they see...
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 07:03 PM by wyldwolf
...and what their "gut" tells them, Hillary will lose.

:sarcasm:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:14 PM
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51. I don't think the polls are right...
I think Obama has a better chance of winning. Many of us are tired of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton and all the baggage and divisiveness that comes with it. Obama will be stale by 2016. Now's the time for someone new like him. New yet experienced.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:00 PM
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47. I, er we don't believe that at all.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:17 PM
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52. I'm sure you that don't agree with Glenn DON'T believe that at all.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:09 PM
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55. I understand that. But I still think it's not good to "go after" another Democrat...
as opposed to supporting fervently another one. It splits the party and makes it weaker. It makes the Repubs very happy, which is a clue as to the effect of forming a group to go after the leading contender.

I say this as a non-supporter of Hillary. I'm not crazy about her and am not happy about her leading amongst the Democrats, but it's not a good idea to split the party, as opposed to supporting a different Democrat.

Also, I tend to think that if the Democrats as a whole want Hillary, well, that's what democracy is all about. If that's who the party members want, then...who am I to try to force them to accept who I think would be better?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:48 PM
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31. I've often thought that.
If Rethugs want some fodder to attack Hillary with...all they have to do is come to DU. We have lots of material for them for free. (free of money or footwork) We give it all for FREE right here in one spot.
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