So what exactly is Hillary trying to say?

WELLESLEY, Mass. (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton urged women voters on Thursday to rally behind her campaign against "the boys club of presidential politics" two days after male rivals attacked her repeatedly at a debate




She cant play with the big boys cause she is a woman? Men just hate women? you shouldn't vote for them because they are men?

This is a horrible defense she is putting out here and will do her more harm than good IMHO. Theres just no way to spin "its the guys against me" that I see working for her in anything other than a small circle of supporters.

It just leaves the door open for too many questions.

More stumbling IMHO. I am sure it wont take her out or anything but I think she needs to back off the girls against the guys thing.

Although I must say I am quite happy she is doing it. I really think we have better candidates available.

Did I miss something specific?

Because she was a woman. Not because she is the front runner but because the "boys club" decided to turn on her.

I think it will turn what i think was a positive for her into a negative. By changing the focus from a strong candidate running for president that happens to also be a woman to one of a woman running for president that thinks men are against her.

Tim Russert of piling on. Two really bad moves. Poor me.

speaking of spin....

WELLESLEY, Mass. (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton urged women voters on Thursday to rally behind her campaign against "the boys club of presidential politics" two days after male rivals attacked her repeatedly at a debate

You should put it in your original post. That's fucked up. Is that what she's going to say about Putin, Ahmedinajad, Sarkozy, and the rest?

Is she just going to say the boys are mean to her? That's not presidential.

That is playing the gender card by definition. It's equating any resistance she encounters as evil misogyny. This will not go well for her.

Once again, she's trying to have it both ways. So much for the flawless campaign.

To call them to arms.

Look, once again this is just politics and people are acting like they have never, ever seen it before.

Thanks!

Hillary's tough ~ she should suck it up and keep going; it wasn't that big a deal.

But if she's just doing her Wellesley thing, it's fine ~ the presidential race is one of the last all-boys clubs and she should be proud of herself for taking it on.

She has a grand strategy to win the White House by appearing tough and strong...She's changing tactics to suit the current battlefield...

She's brilliant...She's the Ulysess Grant of this election and her opponents are General Braxton Bragg and General Irvin McDowell...

She plays on a such a different level that mere mortals don't understand her...

"By any means necessary."

And the better they are at that game the more "slick" they are.

Last time a politician was called "slick" he was a two term president, despite the attempts by the entire opposition party trying to get him out of office for eight years "by any means necessary", heh.

It's a family trait that serves them well ~ masters of the game.

Where does the slickness stop -

- when we just torture a few bad guys?

- when we just have a few soldiers dying in a stupid war?

- when we accept a mediocre appointment to th e Supreme Court because we can't get a great judge approved?

- when we accept a half-assed universal health insurance program because we can't get a decent one through Congress?

I'm tired of people peeing on my shoes and telling me what a lovely spring rain we're having!

For me, it's easy to admire the political talents of Hillary ~ not so easy to support her positions or feel good about the money trail and how it would influence policies.

To her supporters she was picked on, to those of us who feels she is triangulating, fence sitting, untrustworthy, add whatever...she validated our opinions of her. Will she pick up some women with the boys club comments, I don't know. In my opinion she should let it go and move on or pull a Bill and go beat up Chris Wallace. Anything in between will weaken her.

so it makes perfect sense that she would say:

"In so many ways, this all women's college prepared me to compete in the all boys club of presidential politics," the former first lady told hundreds of students.

"We need to shatter that highest glass ceiling," added Clinton, who is trying to become the first woman president. "We can make history."

I'm not sure why you think it was a problem for her to speak to them about a womans perspective of politics...?

It's the perfect thing to say at a school like Wellesley.

I've been seeing quite a few things posted lately, by supporters of various candidates, that try and overlay contraversy onto something, and not putting it into context. Makes me a bit crazy sometimes. :)

Some DUers are amazingly reactionary imo ~ maybe it's a sign of the anxious times or maybe it's just the way people play on the Internet. :shrug:

changing my major, researching it, and doing a dissertaion.
It fascinates and repels me at the same time. :)
Really mind-boggling stuff at times.

Online sociopaths are both fascinating and repulsive too ~ I've actually done quite a bit of research about them and often thought that would've been a fun dissertation. (Not that I know of any sociopaths here at DU.)

The Internets sure are a hoot!

:D

Barring any real research on my part, I have adopted a "they must be alien pod people" theory. I really can't see any other way to explain their disconnect from reality. I am not too sure it would hold up under scrutiny, but it gets me through an evenings board surfing.

Men have never seen fit to so much as give a woman even a look at running this country for over two-hundred years.

Now at a woman's college she talks about breaking into the boy's club - I can't think of anything that would be more natural than that kind of conversation, frankly - and the men are all up in arms.

It's hilarious.

The implicit understanding is that 220 years of all-male leadership was in no way biased, so how dare she bring bias into it. Yuh, right.

You go girl.

That's exactly what talking heads like Tucker Carlson seem to think ~ it really is hilarious!

One mention of the 'boys club' that is national politics in a four-second sentence by Hillary, and Matthews spends an hour frothing all over it. According to him Hillary has been engaging in a "torrent" of female victimization, among other inanities.

Some of his guests were like - well, no, not really - but he didn't want to hear it. His guests are either picked to reinforce his opinion, or otherwise pretty much know that they only get on TV to the extent that they are willing to bow down to the Clinton-hating clown. So they let him talk through his mindless antagonism of Bill & Hill and they try to add some rational thought for filler.

I think that the Washington establishment is scared of Hillary. They want their Republicans to stay and they don't want a woman in power. This is double-bad for them.

And fun for me!

I think he's afraid his nuts will wither and fall off if Hillary is elected!

The gender card will serve them well in that respect but it may turn off men if she keeps on playing it
through to the Iowa caucuses.

As Harry Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

They are playing high stakes poker and her opponents are playing dime ante and dollar limit poker...It's almost embarrassing to watch the Clinton machine run circles around them...

You live and learn, I guess.

However, as I said, manipulating supporter sentiment is a no-no with me. It is essentially dishonest
and disrespectful to do that.

I wouldn't term her opponents in such demeaning terms, either. Clinton will need their supporters
to win in November '08 should she continue her present trajectory and become our nominee
(although Iowa is a dead heat within the margin of error with Obama according to this week's
University of Iowa poll of likely caucus goers). Insulting them is not conducive to that goal.

wants to be taken seriously she needs to realize it is what happens to frontrunners and suck it up.
Playing this game will have a backlash against her.
Mostly it is she is embarrassed by being caught playing those 90s style games.

And it is an "all boys club."

I would have a problem if she said, "They're piling on BECAUSE I am a woman." I don't hear her saying that.