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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:10 PM
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While we are rightfully jumping all over Schumer & DiFi for their repugnant
vote for Mukasey, let us not forget that the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Mr. Leahy, while saying he will oppose this nomination also told us that he was not even going to allow a hearing on any nominee unless he first got all the subpoenaed material.

He didn't get that material, and he scheduled a hearing anyway. This is what happens when Democrats in leadership positions do not keep their word.

Where are the contempt citations that were promised?
Where is the subpoenaed materials?
Why aren't Rove and Miers forced to testify or go to jail?
Why is impeachment off the table?
Why are we continuing to write blank checks for the illegal war in Iraq?
Why did the Congress allow warrantless wiretaps?
Why has habeas corpus not been restored?

The answer to all of those questions is: Our Democratic Leadership has failed to keep their promises to us.

When will we wake up to the fact that our leadership cares more about being in office than about doing the job they were elected to do; namely, protecting and defending the Constitution?

We keep electing the same people, thinking that, perhaps SOMEDAY they will actually do something different. Well, the definition of insanity is doing the same damned thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP. We need people who care more about protecting the Constitution than they do about covering each others' asses.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:12 PM
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1. Bad boundaries from hell. Being a thinking person doesn't mean
you renegotiate your values.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:14 PM
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2. I'm convinced that the values that are being espoused,
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 01:15 PM by rateyes
aren't their values at all. If a person will sell out principle, he/she has no values.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:15 PM
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3. Can we please grow up? When did our heros lose their feet of clay?
Sheesh, you'd think the Democratic Party had a veto proof majority or a passionately engaged electorate ... for what we've got, we're doing better than the pre-nazi Germans or the White Bolsheviks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:21 PM
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5. Aim low, Fredda. n/t
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:22 PM
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7. Pat Leahy had the power to keep Mukasey's nomination
from having a hearing until he received the subpoenaed material. He threatened to do just that. He didn't do it. Heroes, when they don't have to back down, don't back down.

Signed,
A Grown-up.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:15 PM
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4. Yeah - but think of how good people felt when he said that
and how that good feeling bouyed them for days - that gave them hope and something to cheer.



Why yes, I'm being facetious.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:23 PM
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8. "Stop it right now, or I'll have to...
yell 'stop' a little louder." :sarcasm:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:25 PM
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9. LOL!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:21 PM
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6. the number one rule of congress----get Re-elected
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:25 PM
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10. The number two rule that we, the people, should adopt is
un-elect those who play by rule number one.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:40 PM
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11. Maybe impeachment is off the table because Dem leaders don't eat their own kind.
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 01:42 PM by Fridays Child
Sister Nancy would dine on the protestors at her front door before she'd ruffle a hair on the head of Brother George. K & R, by the way.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:55 PM
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12. I fear that leadership is the result of the citizenry.
I think we're playing with symptoms. Not causes.

And I fear we're headed for a long slow recovery, if any.

Sorry if that's overly pessimistic. I want to be wrong so badly.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:56 PM
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13. It's scarcely worth the trouble
the ignorance on the part of too many here is so ingrained that it's hardly worth countering, and they cling to it with such affection. L.Coyote has written and documented much about this narrative. All you have to do is search.

Where are the contempt citations that were promised?
Where is the subpoenaed materials?
Why aren't Rove and Miers forced to testify or go to jail?
Why is impeachment off the table?
Why are we continuing to write blank checks for the illegal war in Iraq?
Why did the Congress allow warrantless wiretaps?
Why has habeas corpus not been restored?

Briefly,

1) contempt citations have to be voted on by the entire Senate. That includes inherent contempt

2) short of Reid scheduling a vote for contempt citations, which I assume he's not doing because he can count and doesn't have the votes, what would you have Leahy do?

3) Short of creating his own private dungeon and kidnapping rove and meirs, what would you have Leahy do?

4) Leahy isn't responsible for warrantless wiretapping. He's fought against it.

5) No one worked harder on restoring Habeas than Leahy. He wrote the Habeas Restoration Act. He sponsored it. It got 56 votes when it came to cloture. That you want to lay its failure to pass at his feet, demonstrates stark irrationality.

You evidently don't know the back story to why Leahy went back on his word about not scheduling hearings. I will agree that he should never have made that committment. It was foolish of him as there was no practicable way that such a tactic would be effective. I'm not even going to bother going into the bait and switch the admin pulled regarding Clemente and Keisler, or the lack of support Leahy got from not only the rest of the JC but dems in the Senate, regarding his attempt to get the subpoenaed material.

I'm not writing this for the benefit of the OP, or certain others posting in this thread, but for people who might click it on.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:08 PM
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14. Actually what you say is why John Dean is urging that they get a committment from
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 03:10 PM by KoKo01
Mukasey to appoint a Special Prosecutor. Because, a SP is the one who serve subpoenas that have to be honored and the documents that Leahy has been unable to pry from their cold criminal hands.

If they don't get an agreement for a SP to be appointed, then Dean figures it's all over.

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Before the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee completely cave-in to Bush, at minimum they should demand that Judge Mukasey appoint a special prosecutor to investigate if war crimes have been committed. If Mukasey refuses he should be rejected. This, indeed, should be a pre-condition to anyone filling the post of Attorney General under Bush.

If the Democrats in the Senate refuse to demand any such requirement, it will be act that should send chills down the spine of every thinking American.


more at.........
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057806.php
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:22 PM
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15. I respect Dean, but he knows better than that.
The dems can't demand that Mukasey appoint a SP. They can request it, and ask for a committment, but that's it. Anyway, it's moot, because Leahy and others have already decided he's not fit to serve, and Feinstein and Schumer have decided to foist him on us.
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