Is nominating Hillary Clinton worth the risk to our general election chances?

Newsweek
11/2/07

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Clinton's support tops out at 49 percent in trial heats against Giuliani, Thompson and Romney. Her four-point margin (49 percent to 45 percent) over Thompson and Romney is significantly less than Edwards's and Obama's performance in those head-to-heads. Obama and Edwards both lead Romney by 53 to 37 percent. Edwards leads Thompson 53 to 39 percent; Obama leads him 52 to 39 percent.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/67789

who SUPPORT Sen. Clinton, not the other way around.

Why in the HELL would anyone want her to get the nomination? What has she DONE as a Senator? What does she PLAN to do that is so worthy of risking losing to the Republicans, as stated above?

Mindlessness. Yes, there's plenty of it around.

Obama by 3.. Clinton overall the strongest over any Republican.

So whats your point?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_giuliani_vs_clinton-227.html

in picking her.

Thats what them Pubs want to AVOID

:party: :bounce:;-)

Even our best candidate (not Hillary) would have a close win at best. Landslides are from yesteryear. That doesn't happen in this day and age.

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So the majority choice of the Democratic party must be YOUR choice or you will...what, exactly?

Pity you have so little faith in your own candidate that you can't even mention his name.

My pick isn't running, doesn't make that good of a POLITICIAN ,even though he's been elected president already , and since Hill talks and acts the the nominee already, maybe Hill could give him some pointers on talking out of both sides of your face at the same time.

talking out of both sides of his crooked mouth!

I was speaking about Al Gore ,and that Sen. Clinton could give him lessons on Double talk ,the only area where Obama is Qualified.

We Democrats have not nominated yet and she whines and gets flustered on the debates without real issues and lots of republiconess like spin to avoid an answer, but all Dems have to follow and push her is flat out bullshit and none of us have to fall in line with her as we are still deciding who to nominate at this point. If you people can't come up with real reasons to vote for her then what did you expect? Good little Germans? Don't give us "stupidly insulting, untruthful remark"s.

Obviously, you didn't take the time to read it.

I'm beginning to think that DU has been overtaken by an army of 14-year-old adolescent males who hate their mothers. Or men who think they are 14 and hate their mothers.
I am amazed by all the blatantly hateful, spiteful things that are said about Hillary on this site. I would think the remarks would be saved for another blog.

:shrug:

Most of the time it's males. Hillary threatens their masculinity.

I guess it's more of the poor little old me routine. Look at the poll here and know that whatever the reasons hillary is a risk to losing to the repukes even if nominated.

You just put your credibility in the dumpster with that bigoted comment.

in the crapper with your adamant support of a different candidate each week.

I will pick and choose and change my mind if I like whenever I damn well please. I pledge my unquestioning support to nobody.

Shame you can't see your own behavior.

You need to stop projecting your personal problems on candidates.

And I REALLY REALLY HATE George Bush; therefore he threatens my masculinity way more than even Hillary. Nice logic there....

To insinuate that nominating Hillary is a "risk" is offensive. Why? Because she is a woman? Or because her husband was once president?
Just exactly what is the inference?

of nothing getting done in DC. The repukes hate her almost as much as we hate bsh.

Survivor
In a new NEWSWEEK poll, Hillary Clinton took the heat at this week's Democratic debate and emerged undamaged

I see no risk at all. The Reps will not hold up well through the general.

As of now, the answer is no. Clinton supporters are asking Democrats to take it on faith that her standing among independents will, somehow, improve between now and November.

Her negatives decrease daily. She's a strong candidate and she won't let attacks go unanswered.
Who do you think they have running who can really challenge her?

They don't have a shot against Obama, the poll shows.

I believe it to be true.

Clinton, Obama, Edwards or Biden. I think any of those four would do just fine in the general.

They have no one of any subtance. The only person I can see that might be a little trouble is Huckabee, at the moment anyway...

Can we afford to take the risk that you may be wrong?

we are going to agree on this. :)
She will do just fine.

Those 4 Senators all have voting records that can be ripped to shreds by the other side. No Senator without executive experience has made it to the White House since JFK. And JFK is the only Dem to do it in the last century.

If Hillary gets the nomination we not only could very well be looking at at least another 4 years of a Republican in the WH, but it would hurt the Party in state races and in the long run. We've had Bushes and Clintons long enough. Time for some new blood. She helps the Democratic Party as a fine Senator for New York. Her nomination for president would be a disaster.

Not only do I fear that we would lose the White House honestly, but the races in red and purple states where Democrats have slight leads and could make great gains in the Senate and Congress would be erased and perhaps lost. That could make the Democrats with the leftover fragments of a failed attempt at a Clinton dynasty and its merchants and have lost both the House and Senate as well.

I've seen some people try to tell honest Democrats that the GOP will not be empowered by a multiple Clinton nomination and baggage and they are frankly not being honest. It's right there in all its obviousness.

No, thank you. I'll not vote for Obama.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_giuliani_vs_clinton-227.html

If you click on the various links to the left, Clinton looks better than Edwards or Obama against the various Repugs.

"The polls are all lying! The methodology is flawed!"

Now it's:

"Look! One poll shows Hillary is leading the 2nd- and 3rd-place GOP contenders by slightly less than the other two! This proves she's unelectable!"

FWIW, she does seem to be trending down a bit in the H2Hs, probably because of the increased attacks from both the right and the left. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

wonderful world of hillalaland. It's a mythical place filled with english professors from the bush school of nonsense and spin. It's full of hillarity and, yes, even some clowns. We're telling you you'll enjoy it.

Remember you must go to the designated areas we say and only "pull" the levers we say to or we'll say all of the males are just picking on us.
Remember to be carefull of the many bad illegal immigrant drivers here as they haven't any drivers licenses and thusly no insurance so you are unprotected from harm. Remember this when they run you over as only we can legitimize their ability to hit you.
Remember, don't make us remind you why we think you don't get any.
Remember, our polls never lie unless we say so and all other polls lie unless we say so too.
Remember, don't make us think ill of you and in fact don't make us think at all as you aren't supposed to either.
Remember, you can't ride this or touch this and don't look for more than a splitsecond.

YOU GOT THAT YOU @##$$%^^&*^%$#!

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her supporters. Remember that hillary and her supporters made this quite true and irrefutable it seems so you do your usual of just attack rather than try to defend that those statements are the farthest from the truth.
As to your wonderful statement to me personally, well I'll be glad to oblige you when you show me how to.

Have her hat handed to her, is an understatement. More likely she will be Tared and feathered. if she cant handle Obama, Edwards and Dodd. she will be astonished at how the rethugs will attack her. she says they have been for years. well she has never really been a threat until then. (Hopefully not) They will not be as polite as Obama, Edwards and Dodd were the other night.

What people are missing in the polls is that Hillary Clinton has been pilloried in the press and by her opponents for fifteen years...Her opponents have received a largely free ride...Yet she still (beats) them...When they get pilloried as much as her in a general election I want to see their numbers...John Kerry started the 04 campaign with a negative rating in the low teens and ended with a negative rating in the mid to upper forties...

If we nominate Sen. Clinton, we won't be able to take advantage of the massive political "wave" that is coming against the Republicans. In fact, nominating her could even be detrimental to our Congressional candidates in that voting AGAINST her would act as a motivation to bring Republicans to the polls, where they might otherwise stay home due to lack of morale.

proven time and time again to be a skewed study, since it's inception!

It's Hillary all the way for the WIN in the Primary and the General!

having buyer's remorse. Who cares who does best in the primary if that person does the worst in the general-the one that counts? Edwards doesn't have enough money to make it through all those months so I think Obama would be the BEST and ONLY choice. I have a feeling once he's our nominee, his integrity, consistency, openness, and inspiration will have people warming to him rather than cooling to him like I fear they'd do to Clinton. Obama is truly the best, most honest, consistent candidate with the ability to bring people together rather than to continue keeping this country torn apart for another 4-8 years.

Jesus H. Christ!

The Democratic Party should not be presenting the nation with such a divisive, old Washington candidate. This country needs leadership and change. Hillary offers neither.

It's time for someone new, open, honest, straight-forward, intelligent, inspiring...OBAMA!

I thought this was a progressive site. I see that it's a site to demand that dem congressmembers risk their careers while DUers hide under their bed from republicans

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principle (Kucinich, Dodd or other principled candidate of your choice who is -- unfortunately and undeservedly -- a long shot).

Hillary's new bumper sticker ought to be:

"Hillary '08 -- Lieberman's Values + Ducacus's Electability"

If you ask nicely, I'll tell you how to spell it.

Hill hurt herself ,thinking about herself too much ,Sorry

I hope that the American public is not so braindead as to elect any Pug after these last 8 years of torture. If they are, I will be quite happy on the French or Italian Riviera. It is embarrassing to live in a country that allowed the theft of elections that occurred in 2000 and 2002 and 2004. But if it happens again, I will no longer feel any obligation to retain allegiance to the USA.

There are about 51% of voters who say they'd never vote for Hillary, unlike Obama.

It would be good to have you back. :)

in your poll.

Because with Kkkarl still on the loose ,weak knees will cave in.