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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:56 PM
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Strongly unfavorable: Hillary 33%, Giuliani 23%, Obama 20%, McCain 19%, Edwards 18%
This is some awful polling for Hillary:

Worse than her highest-of-all-candidates "strongly unfavorable" numbers, is the trend which rising:

35% strongly unfavorable - 11/1/07
35% strongly unfavorable - 2/25/07
30% strongly unfavorable - 1/19/07
29% strongly unfavorable - 12/11/06


And her support is softening among her supporters:

11/1/07 - strongly support (57%) somewhat support (42%)
9/30/07 - strongly support (61%) somewhat support (39%)
7/21/07 - strongly support (68%) somewhat support (32%)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:58 PM
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1. Congrats to the GOP, Edwards, and Obama!
They're doing a great job attacking Clinton!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:34 PM
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15. Congrats for continuing to ignore 15 years of evidence
the vast majority of which was there for your consideration long before Obama and Edwards started to point out the obvious.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:56 PM
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16. You're new to politics..
I guess.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:14 PM
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18. absolutely, there could be no other reason whatsoever
it could ONLY be the GOP, Edwards, and Obama!

Why, if they just didn't exist, all would be right as rain!



In fact, if we could arrange it so she ran in a vacuum, she would most certainly WIN!

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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:53 PM
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21. Is it Edwards or Obama who forces her to triangulate to such a degree that she contradicts herself?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:59 PM
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2. republicans hate her. others have strong feelings about her.
its understandable.
i bet her favorables are quite strong as well.

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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:08 PM
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6. Republicans hate her. Others have strong feelings. and I, among others, dont trust her. n/t
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:13 PM
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9. like i said. she evokes strong feelings. not many have no opinion of her.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:03 PM
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17. I'm a democrat to the max. I REALLY don't want her to be the Dem nominee.
She's just more of the same (corporatist) problem we already have way too much of.

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:59 PM
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19. Are you sure your disdain for corporatism doesn't mean you are a RepuG? Sarc
Gotta love the Hillary supporters who think if you don't support their candidate for the Democratic nomination and/or ..... GASP!!!!.....actually disagree with a Hillary position (presupposing we can actually FIND ONE!).....that means you are a Republican!

In this closed minded fantasy land, there are no primaries, and opponents' supporters must all support Hillary and never speak out in disagreement.

Get a grip and take a friggin Civics lesson. Primaries have Democrats running against Democrats, and Republicans running against Republicans. When you let this sink in, maybe it will be clear to you that it is perfectly normal for supporters of various candidates within the parties to speak out against other candidates. That is the way it is, and the way it is supposed to be. We left behind the smoked filled rooms and caucusses decades ago....

Also, since when is saying another candidate is not electable a sign of being of the opposite party? People in the same party are naturally concerned that they nominate the strongest candidate in the election. It would not be the mark of a Republican to criticise Hillary for not being a strong enough candidate in the general election. But, according to the logic I see on this board at times, unless you drink the kook aid of believing Hillary is the strongest against Republicans, you must be a Republican!
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:02 AM
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22. we are a fairly liberal group. probably overrepresented by those
who dont like hillary because she is too 'republican'
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:26 PM
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14. Independents don't think highly of her either. The margin of victory is 4 times higher for Edwards
and Obama over Thompson or Romney as compared to Hillary's narrow lead:

US Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton ... finds herself trailing behind Barack Obama and John Edwards among the independent voters, a new poll released a year before the election shows.

The poll results, however, do somewhat call into question the Democratic frontrunner's electability come next November. Clinton's support tops out at 49 per cent in trial heats against Republicans Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney.

Her four-point margin (49 per cent to 45 per cent) over Thompson and Romney is significantly less than Edwards's and Obama's performance in those head-to-heads. Obama and Edwards both lead Romney by 53 to 37 per cent. Edwards leads Thompson 53 to 39 per cent; Obama leads him 52 to 39 per cent.




http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200711051123.htm
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:39 AM
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23. That's alarming!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:04 PM
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3. Nice Try...
Strongly Favorable...

Hillary 28%
Obama 21%
Edwards 14%



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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:21 PM
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10. Hillary: strong unfav 35%, strong fav 28%, net - 7; Obama: strong unfav 20%, strong fav 21%, net + 1
I'll take a candidate with a net strong favorable rating over a candidate with a net strong unfavorable rating so large that her strong unfavorable exceed her strong favorables by 25%.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:06 PM
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4. Obama & Edwards negatives have gone up more than Hillary's in the comparative time frame.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 04:07 PM by rinsd
*WaPo ABC did not do breakdown for somewhat or strongly for approval/disapproval for Obama or Edwards for the 1/19/07 poll

Obama

11/1/07 - 20% strongly unfavorable
2/25/07 - 14% strongly unfavorable
12/11/06 - 9% strongly unfavorable

Edwards

11/1/07 - 18% strongly unfavorable
2/25/07 - 17% strongly unfavorable
12/11/06 - 10% strongly unfavorable

Obama's support is also "softening" according to your definition.

11/1/07 - strongly support (50%) somewhat support (50%)
9/30/07 - strongly support (52%) somewhat support (48%)
7/21/07 - strongly support (56%) somewhat support (43%)

There were no figures for Edwards in terms of support intensity.




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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:07 PM
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5. Don't you have to have support for there to be terms of support intensity?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:12 PM
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7. Ouch!
:hi:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:12 PM
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8. Well he's pissed me off this week.
:hi:
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:41 PM
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11. Hillary's strong support has fallen off 11%, Obama's has fallen off just half that amount.
While Edwards and Obama have seen their strongly unfavorable ratings rise, they have risen from a mere 30% of Hillary's huge negatives to a still-low 50% of her huge "strong unfavorable" numbers.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:45 PM
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12. Unfavorables correlate to how well a candidate is known.
So this doesn't mean much.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:55 PM
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13. That's generally true, but so do favorables so you don't want "strong unfavorables" 25% higher than
"strong favorables," which is Hillary's current status.

Plus, in this poll, Romney, Thompson, and Huckabee have high "no opinion" numbers (indicative of a general lack of familiarity with the candidate) but the other candidates' "no opinion" numbers are all well under 20%.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:17 PM
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20. Hillary's unfavorables are way higher than Bill Clinton's unfavorables!
I dare say that Bill is as well known as Hillary. Maybe this is going to hurt the feelings of some Hillary supporters, but I think Bill is actually better known than Hillary. I know I am opening up myself for criticism of mysogeny or something for that observation, but I have a hunch that it is true....more people know about Bill.

Yet...if your hypothesis is true, that unfavorables correlate with being well known....how do you explain that Hillary's combined unfavorables according to this poll are 46% (35% STRONGLY UNFAVORABLE) while the following is something I just found on Google, referencing a gallup poll this year about Bill...

Bill Clinton's Favorable Rating Highest Since February 1998Americans' Opinion of Bill Clinton. The Feb. 9-11, 2007 poll finds that 63% of ... of the former president, while 35% have an unfavorable opinion of him. ...
www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26578 - Similar pages

Hmmm Bill's unfavorables are 35% while Hillary's are 46%.....

I dare say it poses a question as to why Hillary is higher in negatives even though less well known than her spouse.
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