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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:14 PM Original message |
Barack courts the religious right and homphobes. Hillary doesn't. Why is Barack seen as more left? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. She's way more hawkish than he is when it comes to foreign policy. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. How do we know when Barack has only been in the Senate for a short time? And, aren't |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nemo, I answered your question. The general perception is |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. And I answered "but how do we know" because he doesn't have a very big track record. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Who is dismissive of what? Obama is a fighter for the rights of all Americans. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. If one is running to gvern "all the people" then they should include all the people. He doesn't |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
49. Unless they are Queer |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. We know this, of course, because of their identical foreign policy voting records. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I'm talking about perception. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. But that's just a punt. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Obama calls for putting troops "on the right battlefield" in Pakistan |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Was'nt it Obama who said he would invade Pakistan to |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. War. Torture. Outsourcing Jobs. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Tell me Hillary's record on torture? And what is Barack's record on outsourcing? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Maybe Hillary needs to cozy up to some "ex-gay" clowns at her events |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Clinton is presently on a "faith tour" and she has accepted $1000 donations from homophobes. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Who are they? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Here is a link. Read the story. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I think this article puts Barack in a worse light than Hillary. Not convincing to me. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Of course not. Hypocrisy over homophobes is the order of the night. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I read the artilce and this is my opinion. I have quoted article here to illustrate: |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
67. So the guy from "Clinton's gay steering committee" thinks "there is a very big difference" |
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alteredstate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. Here's a link to another interesting aticle: |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. She is meeting with Rev. Marcia Dyson who seems to be a feminist from what I am reading: she wrote |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Clinton also participates in a right-wing Senate Republican prayer group... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. I haven't heard any "male God" rhetoric from her. I don't hear gays hating her. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. All Christians, incl. Hillary, believe in a male God. And Ellen DeGeneres doesn't hate Obama. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 03:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Believing in a male god is the problem with our society. It excludes more than half the population. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. Not true |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Has she welcomed any "ex-gay" clowns to spew homophobic filth at one of her fundraisers? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No, she just accepts $1000 donations and endorsements from known homophobes. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. No she has not. But Barack did. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Obama has not been endorsed by or accepted donations from known homophobes. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. In all due respect, you have a weak argument here. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 06:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. Oh really? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
78. What about the $300,000 he raised at his homophobe gospel tour? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Every candidate who takes donations has accepted money from people |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. True, it was pretty disgusting what the guy said. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I think accepting donations and endorsements from known homophobes is offensive. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. given what you have said....would you want to be more left? nt. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. what do you mean? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
53. look at the left. its pathetic. nt. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Explain and give examples. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. read this forum. it is a liability, especially in the general election. nt. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. ? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. Seriously? I'll tell you. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. It is ironic that the average Freeper has a much better grasp on |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
81. Many Duers like to flatter themselves |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 05:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Liberals don't have union busters as their chief campaign strategists n/t |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Liberals don't hand the mic to homophobic hate-preachers for 30 minutes at a time. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #50 |
84. Nope, they don't do that, either |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. Because her record is more conservative than Barack's |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
32. I supported Obama until he pandered to the bigots and homophobes... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Yes, the bible thumping has got to go. |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
76. Right on...Barack is pandering to the religious people n/t |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
34. It is liberal to reach out to those with whom we disagree; Hillary represents conservatism. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. LIt is not liberal to let a preacher take a microphone and spew anti-gay rhetoric meant to inflame. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:26 AM Original message |
And yet your "new" candidate has no interest in reaching out to racists, only homophobes |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. dupe |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. It isn't liberal to pander to the bigotry of those with whom we disagree |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
41. Clinton supporters downplay ties to anti-gay ministers |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. This is the second posting of this article. It doesn't exactly paint a great pic of Barack. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Keeping Colbert off the SC ballot doesn't speak well of Obama either |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
47. "Progressives" on DU and "Conservatives" on freerepublic typically have a similar style: |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
51. War on Iran; MFN for China; Reduced Capital Gains & Dividend Tax - Obama is on the opposite side |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. She wants to reduce capital gains! WTF?!? nt |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
82. Not true |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. Well then why doesn't Sen. Clinton come out with a scathing denunciation of Obama for it? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Yep. She'd love to be in his shoes on this one |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
56. More important to me is that Hillary courts the closed government types. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
57. Since when were black Democrats in South Carolina the religious right? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. When they engage in homophobia |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You get to choose who's a Democrat and who's not? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. A homophobe is a homophobe, even when they have a "D" after their name |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Not personal |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Okay, thanks. Back on point, when our legislature considered a constitutional amendment |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
63. Clinton web site features a homophobic preacher calling being gay "thievery" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Oh...but...but....that's diiiiiiiiiiifferent! |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Absolutely |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Thanks for this. I will check this out. |
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dave123williams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. Because he's BLACK? |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
73. I'm starting to consider them both |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
74. If Barack courts homophobes, why does he support civil unions? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. I do not pretend. I see people calling themselves progressive making excuses for Obama's chumminess |
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alteredstate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. Huh? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
80. To what particular alternate universe do you refer? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. And Obama is not consorting with the right with the anti-gay reverend? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. And he consorts with the right with his male-dominated religiosity. He is clearly giving a platform |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
85. Bad meme alert: Progressive groups give Hillary a very high rating. |
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