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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:10 PM
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Hillary announces she will choose a foreign policy expert for VP should she win the nomination.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM by calteacherguy
Staying on the subject of her famous husband, Clinton disagreed with rival candidate Sen. Joe Biden, who said Monday that Bill Clinton will likely unofficially assume the duties of vice president in his wife's administration -- rendering her actual vice president ceremonial.

"That's going to be news to my husband," Clinton said, laughing at the suggestion.

"There's so much work to be done, that's just not true," She said. "There's going to be a very vigorous foreign policy agenda that I am going to have a lot of people involved in, including my vice president."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/06/clinton.iowa/index.html

Should she win the nomination, that criteria certainly narrows her "short list."
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:12 PM
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1. why did Richardson's name spring to mind as I read that headline?
although I wish Biden would consider it
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:25 PM
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21. There goes the last chance Obama and Edwards had of being on the ticket.
Richardson!!
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:26 PM
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23. They never had a chance and i don't think they wanted to run with her
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:38 PM
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36. Don't think she ever wanted them.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:49 PM
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38. Obama had a chance, until he listened to the polls and went negative,
With more experience (and a voting record in the Senate) he might be ready in 8 or 12 years.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:28 PM
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27. Tells you what this party has come to wend the top candidate is less....
experienced than the number two person. JESUS!!!!!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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2. That's not what she said
You're obviously trying to put Clark's name in her mouth, but that's not what she said. Nowhere does she say or imply the word "expert".
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:14 PM
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9. It is implied if the VP is going to play a major role in foreign policy, obviously. nt
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:16 PM
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10. She didn't say "major role" either; just that the VP would be involved
You don't have to be an "expert" to be involved.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:24 PM
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20. A major role was clearly implied by the full context of her remarks. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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3. Does that rule out Vanilla Bayh?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:17 PM
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13. Probably not. Any ambitious senator is going to get on the Defense, Intel, or For Affairs Cmte.
Once they've grilled an ambassador appointee, they figure they've got FoPo experience.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:18 PM
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16. Crap.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:28 PM
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29. Don't worry......just the name Bye (which is how it is pronounces) rules Sen. Vanilla out!
Plus the attack dog label just ain't gonna work with Bye!

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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4. Someone also approved by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
for sure.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:13 PM
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5. It is soooo going to be Wes Clark if she wins.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:41 PM
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39. nope, I think she'll pick Biden.. or she should imo
He isn't afraid to be candid with her and can argue his pov quite well.

She would respect him for that.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:25 PM
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44. Biden for VP, Richardson Secy of Education, Wes Clark in cabinet or head of Homeland Securiity
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:11 AM
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45. Dream Team...
I'm almost happy, thinking of all our guys manning their battle stations..
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:26 AM
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48. Tentatively happy, with one long year of foreplay...
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:14 PM
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6. Bill Richardson, your table is ready!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:23 PM
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18. He's Sec. of State. nt
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:25 PM
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22. She might think he brings more to the table electorally than Wes Clark.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:14 PM
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7. Not necessarily. You don't have to be a foreign policy whiz already, you just have to have VERY
good staff, and an ability to get good advice in a hurry if you need it. To be successful, at any rate.

You can, if you've a mind to, learn on the job.

Look at Condi--she had a fucking degree in SOVIET studies, and probably couldn't find Qatar on a map when she took the job. She still sucks in her post, but she can probably find Qatar, Iran, Iraq and the UAE at this point. All that rote memorization of the old Soviet Army command structure might be starting to fade, at long last...
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:16 PM
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12. I don't agree.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 07:17 PM by calteacherguy
I suppose what you say is theoretically possible, but if she is envisioning a major foreign policy role it makes sense to choose an expert with proven effectiveness, knowledge, and skill. Hillary is too smart to do otherwise...I do give her credit for that much.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:33 PM
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31. It depends on what you think is important. Frankly, my view is that it is way more important
to have someone who can engage/interact effectively, who is a good problem solver, who thinks on their feet, and who is a fast learner. Also, there is no substitute for COMPELLING PERSONALITY. None. Anthony Zinni was incredibly effective in the ME, because he knew how to do the Arab versions of backslapping and backscratching, and those Emirs just LIKED being around the guy. Hell, Kissinger is an "expert" but he's an ASSHOLE. Jimmy Carter had no foreign policy experience when he assumed the Presidency; now he's the world's 'Go To' guy on a wide variety of humanitarian issues, to say nothing of election monitoring.

The fact of the matter is this--to a large extent, it's all over but the shouting by the time someone at the VP or Presidential level walks into the room. State sends their guys to iron out the details, and the country or countries you are working with do the same. The hard work, the nuts and bolts, that's all done amongst the lower level folks. The bigwig gets the credit, but the bigwig isn't the one doing the hard work...

I read that quote as this: She intends to have her VP doing more than going to funerals and meeting the Girl Scouts. The person will be a player, her rep, on the international stage, if she gets the job, of course. I don't read it as any insistence, suggestion, or requirement that the VP have particular skills on his (and it's likely to be a male) CV.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:45 PM
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41. Could be Matt Damon..
If he does one more Bourne film, he'll be qualified. Better than Rice anyway.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:14 PM
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8. Wesley Clark. And he's not a lot taller than she is. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:17 PM
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15. Yes, height is all important? :( NO! It's called neo-liberalism, IMO, it's not good. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:24 PM
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19. Well, that depends on the meaning of "a lot"--he's at or near six feet.
He also looks longer because he is (or was when I knew him) quite lean.

Bill Clinton is (or was, you shrink when you get older) six-two, maybe a bit more, when this pic was taken:



Senator Clinton is listed as five foot six, but I think that's pushing it.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:26 PM
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25. Six feet? Nope
Wes Clark is 5'10".
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:34 PM
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32. He's shrunk, then. NT
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:27 PM
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26. He could certainly help
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 07:28 PM by Jim4Wes
reverse much of the Bush fuckups.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:16 PM
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11. Paging Joe Lieberman...
:eyes:

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:28 PM
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28. Ridiculous. nt
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:17 PM
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14. So her VP is going to be Condi??

Oh man...I kill myself.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:18 PM
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17. Is this an admission she lacks the proper credentials?
There's going to be a very vigorous foreign policy agenda

Just what the hell is that all about? Getting out of Iraq and ending an imperialist foreign policy is rather simple and straighforward. OTOH, if Hillary intends to succeed at empire building by doing a better job of "managing" wars, she will fail just as Bush did.

We can't dictate to the world!

There is nothing in Hillary's record to indicate she will bring balance and fairness to our Middle East policies. She is trapped in the AIPAC agenda.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:35 PM
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34. To be honest, in this case, Indiana Green, I would hope that
the next Democratic President is humble enough to believe that we will need all of the help we can get in this particular arena.....and if that is what Hillary Clinton is implying, than more power to her! It is a good thing that one realizes that they don't have all of the answers and will need wise guidance during these perilous times.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:26 PM
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24. Oh for the love of God - Biden did NOT say
Staying on the subject of her famous husband, Clinton disagreed with rival candidate Sen. Joe Biden, who said Monday that Bill Clinton will likely unofficially assume the duties of vice president in his wife's administration -- rendering her actual vice president ceremonial.

Here's what he said:

"If I don't win the nomination, the likely nominee is going to be Hillary," Biden, D-Delaware, told CNN, "and I love Bill Clinton, but can you imagine being vice president?"

The former president "is such a dominant and powerful and positive force that I think the question is if you're going to stay in public life do you want to be a contributor ... I'm not looking for a ceremonial post," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/05/biden.vice.president/?iref=mpstoryview


That being said, Hillary would do well by Wes and I think they'd work well together.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:33 PM
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30. That's what Kerry said too......
I heard he was trying to decide between foreign policy expert and "hope"....and then the pundits selected John Edwards for him.

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:35 PM
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33. She said no such thing. In fact, she said she isn't even thinking that
far ahead yet.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:37 PM
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35. It was implied, clearly. nt
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:42 PM
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37. Is this Cheney's laegacy? When did the VP become "forign policy" guru? Interesting
Also, what does "vigorous" foreign policy mean?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:45 PM
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40. Some of her choices could be from all these talented people that agree with her
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:52 PM
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42. Hillary doesn't like hanging out with "insects"...
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:55 PM
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43. Since she is lacking in that area herself, she will need one.
But no one doubts what Biden expressed. Bill Clinton is just too big a persona. He would play a big role in his wife's administration, and that is one very important feature of her candidacy. People would want it and expect it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:18 AM
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46. Wes Clark, John Kerry, Bill Richardson or Joe Biden.
That's the four names that spring to my mind as what the Clintons would call a "foreign policy expert"

My hunch is that it would be Wes Clark. He's already on board the Clinton bus.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:47 AM
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47. Biden's already turned it down.
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