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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:26 AM
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Was * Right About Stem Cell Research and Children's Health Insurance......
both lost respectively in New Jersey and Oregon?

Was it lobby money that defeated these or is the electorate really against it?

I guess today - I'm not that proud to be an American. These were defeated and some Repugs won. What is wrong with this picture?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:28 AM
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1. I heard that on the radio and went
:wtf:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:31 AM
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2. The thing in Jersey was a BOND issue
people voted against a tax hike, not against stem cell research.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:41 AM
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6. They voted against a tax hike in Oregon, too. See, BushCo cut those federal taxes a piddling
three hundred bucks, while state and local taxes continued their upward climb. Most people pay more as a percentage of their paycheck in TOTAL taxes now than they did when idiot took office.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:27 AM
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8. So This Tells Me That The Repugs Strategy Of Calling The Dems.....
tax and spend will play heavy in the '08 elections. Yet - the Dems want to rollback *'s taxcuts to the top of the heap and not hit the middle or low classes. The Repugs will hit this hard. It also seems to me we'll get some I told you so's from *Co about these votes - no matter what the reason is for defeating them - * will say he was right.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:39 PM
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9. Romney is already pushing the "your money" theme
Whining about taxes on 'dividends and investments.' The reality is, most Americans barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, they aren't doing all the heavy-duty dabbling that the rich are.

Whosoever our nominee is should respond with "The Fucking GOP are like a lousy relative who STEALS your credit card and runs it up past the limit; they max it out, ruin your credit rating, and THE DEMOCRATS are stuck having to be the ADULT and get the fiscal ship of state back on a proper course!"

Hey, look at Bill Clinton's record on the deficit--and then look what Bush did to our fiscal ship over the course of his tenure--he ran it aground!!!

With the right context, properly presented, we can hand that shit back to them. Here's hoping whoever gets the nom has tough and effective media advisers, and runs a rip-snorting series of ads.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:36 AM
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3. Another triumph of the ignorant and the selfish..
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:36 AM
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4. i think there is an article in LBn about nj-catholic church etc but OR??
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:42 AM
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7. Big Tobacco put MILLIONS into a campaign against the measure. NT
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:40 AM
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5. Here in NJ Stem Cells was a financial issue..
The state is in a pretty heavy budget crisis and I believe this would have been something we would have had to borrow money to fund. It had little not nothing to do with ideology or religion or any of that.

I still wish it had passed, but it not passing isn't as much of an ideological thing as it was a financial stability thing.
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