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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:27 AM
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Is the reason the Dems won't support Dennis on Impeaching Cheney
because they don't dare be seen supporting particular Presidential candidates, or ones other than who they've thrown in with?

This disunity is what is killing us. The Republicans can at least agree and act on one thing: "anything but Democrats".
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:29 AM
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1. No, they won't support impeachment because they think Bush should finish his term
impeachment off the table.
war with iran is on the table.

It is up to us to overthrow the table, like that fellow who got rid of the moneychangers.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:33 AM
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4. "It is up to us to overthrow the table,
like that fellow who got rid of the moneychangers."

Exactly...perfectly worded.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:25 PM
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23. There Isn't Any Table
** is making the Democratic majority eat off of the floor.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:34 AM
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6. Is it so crazy to support those who voted the Dems into office
in the first place? Look at BuchCo's (dis)approval ratings. Is it nuts to do what the people are asking you to do? That we won't vote THEM out of office for, like Bush, failing to do what they're supposed to to, the will of the people?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:32 AM
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2. No. eom
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:32 AM
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3. They won't support Dennis on anything. He's viewed as a left-wing parriah, unfortunately.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 11:37 AM by leveymg
Also, even before the election, the leadership determined that the I-word was "off the table".

Their reasoning for that is as convoluted as it's wrong-headed - as demonstrated by the 11% Congressional approval rating and the rising public perception of corruption among Democrats.

Expect a Polish firing squad for Dennis.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:37 AM
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9. One survey, of many:
"In line with other national polls, a Washington Post/ABC News survey conducted Oct. 29 to Nov. 1 showed Bush's approval rating at a meager 33%, while Congress stood at 28%."

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/voters-angry-congress-democrats-get/story.aspx?guid=%7B6B183B7F-07EF-4CFA-8B82-CB8A6650DEE7%7D

So congress is lower than Bush. Makes sense to me.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:44 AM
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12. Zogby has it at snake-eyes (11%)
but I agree that's probably low by a significant margin. However, it's a lot lower than it was a year ago, and far lower than it would have been if Congress had come out swinging and started a high-profile series of investigations right away.

We'll never know. Sigh: http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN1624620720071017

Voters unhappy with Bush and Congress
Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:32pm EDT
By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Deepening unhappiness with President George W. Bush and the U.S. Congress soured the mood of Americans and sent Bush's approval rating to another record low this month, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

The Reuters/Zogby Index, which measures the mood of the country, also fell from 98.8 to 96 -- the second consecutive month it has dropped. The number of Americans who believe the country is on the wrong track jumped four points to 66 percent.

Bush's job approval rating fell to 24 percent from last month's record low for a Zogby poll of 29 percent. A paltry 11 percent gave Congress a positive grade, tying last month's record low.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:55 AM
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16. That WAPO/ABC poll does sound too high on both counts.
I see diehard "kill the Arabs" posts on most of the two-party forums (there is one implied in the responses to the WAPO/ABS poll), so there are always a percentage of those who don't/won't see BushCo using the middle east as a power grab of astonishing proportions. They don't blame the middle east for the cost of oil and the falling dollar, do they? No, that would require removing their heads from the sand.

Thanks for the info. Cheers.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:41 PM
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18. They are nothing more than a rubber stamp.
At least Bush acts as President, grabbing even MORE power than the Constitution ever thought about allowing the Executive branch. The Congress abdicates all duty. They might as well be non-existent. Just as Bush wants it. It's disgraceful.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:33 AM
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5. they can't handle the truth
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:35 AM
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7. I'm persuaded we don't have the whole story
But apparently the Democrats who control Congress are more comfortable with us thinking they're spineless and ineffectual than whatever the alternative consequences would be should they move to carry out the will of the people.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:36 AM
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8. I think its deeper than that
Investigations into what has happened to get us into this war will show to some extent that many of the Democrats are complicit and should be impeached as well.

It's a mutually criminal society.

Fortunately for us, there are a few honest ones, and I think they reside on the Democratic side of the Judiciary Committee.

And I pray they help save our country.
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LVZ Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:37 AM
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10. Because the American People are tired of apparent politics
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 11:39 AM by LVZ
Impeachment may be justified and may please a majority of Democrats but the simple truth is that the Democratic Party has more to lose than to gain by starting up impeachment proceedings.

The Republicans did it in 1996 and suffered because of it. With just a year left, why risk that wrath of a "disgusted by politics" public backlash?

Some Democrats just seem to have a natural talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:41 AM
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11. Thanks for the good perspectives.
The danger of "sick of politics" and the revelation of a complicit Democratic percentage make real sense.

They're covering their asses. And being asses in the process. This is exactly the kind of behaviour we don't want in our representatives.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:46 AM
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13. WE, the People are not being represented by our Democratic Leadership in D.C.
We, The People, need to kick these traitors out!!!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:47 AM
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14. There's some speculation
that blackmail (of Dems) is behind their spinelessness.
Not saying it's true. Just reporting the grapevine.
Whatever the reason, it doesn't look good and might as well be due to blackmail. Same result.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:50 AM
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15. Then if it is blackmail, these people need to RESIGN their seats. Or does their Oath come in a
far second to the selfish need for personal PROFIT and political power ... SERVING their Country in Congress is ancillary to their f**king greed? :grr: :thumbsdown:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:23 PM
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22. It Doesn't Even Have to Be Real
Assuming that the NSA has been recording ALL of their phone calls, etc., they could make something that sounds pretty damning just by cut-and-paste.

With the full support of the Mighty Slime Machine (MSM) they could swift-boat anyone.



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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:56 AM
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17. They don't want Rudy or Mitt or JEB appointed VP
It just gives them a head start.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:21 PM
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21. I Don't think ** Can do a Recess Appointment for VP
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:53 PM
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19. Keep in mind we have many conservative Dems in the House.
They will often tend to be more republican than liberal on Foreign
Policy.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:55 PM
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20. No, because they could have introduced their own impeachment resolution first. n/t
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