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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:30 PM
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Edwards immigration stance muddled as HRC's
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=1B66C1CF-3048-5C12-00E80B611B7C531E

Immigration policy experts on both sides of the debate say they're puzzled by Edwards’ stance, which appears to hinge on blurring the distinction between state and federal powers.

"He supports licenses as part of a path to citizenship. He doesn't support the Spitzer plan because it doesn't include a path to citizenship," said Edwards' deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince in an e-mail referring to the New York governor’s plan that prompted the question that flummoxed Clinton.

"That's not a rational position — Eliot Spitzer couldn't ever offer somebody a path to citizenship," said Margie McHugh, the Co-Director of the National Center on Immigrant Integration Policy at the Migration Policy Institute, which favors immigration reform.

"I don't know if they think you're stupid or what they think," said Frank Sharry, the executive director of the National Immigrantion Forum, another broadly pro-immigration policy shop.

Sharry laughed aloud when read Prince’s statement of Edwards’ position.

That is "sort of like saying I oppose the confederate flag in Southern states because there's not a corresponding flag burning amendment to it. It's nonsensical," Sharry said.



At least Hillary's double-talk was intelligent. All hat, no cattle.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:34 PM
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1. I may be a Hillary fan but you did make me chuckle
"At least Hillary's double-talk was intelligent."

Change the "was" to "is" and we may have a winning campaign slogan! :evilgrin:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:36 PM
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2. Hillary really out to engage Edwards in a policy sidebar
during a debate.

People have often said that Edwards is a Bill Clinton who never hit the books.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:41 PM
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3. The headline is a damn lie.
Clinton's answer reflected the fact that she knew the difference between a state issue (identification) and the federal issue (immigration). She answered the damn question - just not in a simple minded bumper sticker sort of way that the media and her non-supporters demand.

Edward's lack of separation of state and federal issues reminds me of the number of times over the years I have heard members of the local legal community state that he is just not that smart.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:44 PM
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4. Good lawyer, but not a deep thinker. n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:48 PM
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5. I guess he is a good lawyer but it doesn't take "deep" thinking
to know what is wrong with his answer. He should of had this nailed by the 6th or 7th grade.

Really - that answer should totally sink his campaign. Unbelievable - he doesn't fucking know the difference.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:58 PM
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6. I just re-read the whole article and here is what I get out of it.
Edwards was "for" it.
Then he was partially "against" it.
And then he was provisionally "for" and "against" it.
However, in '04 he was "for" it.
And now in Iowa - he is "against" it.

My head hurts.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:00 PM
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7. And he has ZERO idea what he's talking about.
Complete lightweight.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:04 PM
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8. Really - this is embarrassing.
I don't want anyone to think poorly of the educational system in the state of North Carolina, the University of North Carolina or the UNC School of Law.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:06 PM
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9. Are you a Dukie? n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:09 PM
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10. No - but I can see the Chapel from my window. n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:42 PM
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11. But this is typical for Edwards
People are just paying attention now. That's why I was amazed he had the nerve to go after another candidate on double-speak. It could only have come back to bite him.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:44 PM
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12. It should not just bite him - it should sink him.
He needs to get off the stage. Too stupid for prime time.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:01 PM
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13. He flip-flopped, engaged in double-speak, and revealed
his ignorance of basic constitutional law.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:46 PM
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14. You are quoting Edwards campaign manager, not Edwards
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 PM by goodgd_yall
His campaign manager did a disservice by sending a muddled message about Edwards' stance. Edwards believes the issuance of drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants should be up to the states. He personally doesn't think it's a good idea and believes only those who are on the pathway to citizenship should be issued drivers'licenses. He believes we need comprehensive immigration reform too. He admitted his position is similar to HRC's except that he does not agree with Spitzer's plan. His issue was with HRC seeming to say she was for and then saying she didn't say that during the debate. He believes HRC is not being honest by not being clear on what she believes.

Read the transcript from last Sunday's This Week if you really care about the truth and not just bashing a candidate you don't like.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:58 PM
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15. The Clinton War machine doesn't need facts to get in the way of a good smear campaign
Just read this thread.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:00 AM
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17. Then explain why Edwards doesn't support Spitzer's plan
Edwards said he supported giving DL's to undocumented residents. Now he says he doesn't support Spitzer's plan.

If it's not because of the path to citizenship issue, then why doesn't Edwards support Spitzer?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:58 AM
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16. What is Kucinich's position on immigration?
I haven't heard anything about that from him.
Does anyone know what position he takes on that issue?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:25 AM
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18. it seems like Edwards didn't understand what Spitzer is trying to do
and that's why there is confusion.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:22 AM
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19. Edwards thinks that as long as he bashes Hillary Clinton that
he doesn't need his own policy position.
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