Bill not targeting Bush and Cheney: "...the country is over that." Since when?

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Any shot at the current president is an automatic applause line with a Democratic audience. But rather than taking the easy ovation, Clinton gently deflected an audience member's suggestion that President Bush be included in his list of global problems.

"Yeah, Bush and Cheney," he said. "I could sit here all night and make you laugh and cry and stand up and cheer talking about the president and the vice president. But the country is over that. Let's get the show on the road again."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/11044976.html


Moving past serious illegal operations of Bush1 helped BushInc to grow stronger throughout the 90s while left unchecked by any oversight and led us straight to Bush2.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Do Democrats want to repeat that exact same mistake and move past Bush and Cheney?

And since when has the country declared they don't want Bush and Cheney's crimes of office discussed, REVEALED or dealt with by Democrats?

Did Mark Penn conduct that survey for Bill?

blm is correct. We tried sweeping criminal activity under the rug (think Iran contra, BCCI) before. How did that work out for us?

Hmmmm....WHO has been advising Democrats in DC to move past discussing Bush and Cheney's wrongs?

What Democratic voices hold that much influence in DC, anyway?

Is the "country" ready to move past BushInc's crimes of office, AGAIN, William?

You said you supported Bill moving past BushInc's crimes before, so are you supporting that same decision for BushInc2?

I am looking to the Future which does not include Bush. But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, again.

One can 'look to the future' while still at least making a SHOW of upholding the rule of law, don't you think?

I have done all I can do. I am in mode now to fix whats been broken.

I'm calling the members of the Judiciary Committee to support impeachment proceedings.

I know it's not the 'establishment dems' first priority, they're busy with other important work, like betraying us on fair trade or overriding vetoes on resource bills... but still, I like to let them know what I think is important... and ousting war criminals is pretty important in my book!

for a reason.

Downed airplanes are reconstructed for a reason.

to the benefit of those who committed them and those who profitted from them.

Do you side with the right people who do not ignore accountability or with the WRONG people who do side with secrecy and privilege of the powerful over accountability?

I'm on the side of the law.

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And now the story is the same - move past whatever Bush and Cheney are doing.

You want that repeat - many of us don't.

Most don't know the connection to what went on in the 90s - you do - you don't care that it will happen again.

Do you do it to all the people you speak with? Or am I just special?

It's crystal clear what happened and crystal clear what will happen again.

Your decision to support secrecy and privilege DOES effect me and all of us who have been fighting it for so long.

And you also work to convince others that supporting secrecy and privilege is OK every time you defend it. So, expect those of us who want honest and open government to counter your efforts.

Simple as that.

There you go putting words in my mouth again.

for Bush and Cheney.

EXACTLY the same thing they did before in the 90s with all THOSE outstanding matters.

I am not interested in playing the role of Charlie Brown while the Clintons play Lucy.

I care about honest and open government accountable TO the people.

It's to soon for you to try revisionist History with that right above.

He already DID move past BushInc's crimes of office the last time and he thinks they should do so for Bush and Cheney.

It is only unclear if you WISH it to be so because you can't defend it.

Thats all I wanted to hear.

Bill Clinton has NO INTENTION of Bush and Cheney being held accountable and neither does Hillary.

Play your little word games and find comfort in the fact that you support no accountability for BushInc.

Your the one that predicts the future. Heres a little hint, he's not running.

throughout Bill's terms in office where all the outstanding matters of BushInc's criminal operations were swept under the rug.

You know this - you just don't care.

the premise of the question being answered by Bill.

The questioner wants to ask about accountability for Bush and Bill said the country is OVER it.

You know it - you also know that Clintons have no interest in accountability for BushInc - you just don't think we should care about it.

Did he lie? Are people rioting in the streets? are there mass demonstrations? Show me where the Country is not over it.

and I mean both of 'em.

Oh I need to ask is this a day that you belive in the polls? or is this one of those days when the polls are bogus? it's hard to keep track of when Obama supporters like the polls, and when they don't. Well in truth it's not that hard. :rofl:

And that's true whether I believe in them or not. :headbang:

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21676399/ Oooops!

"Clinton is the top choice of 44 percent of the likely Democratic voters interviewed for the poll. Her closest rival, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, was the top choice of 25 percent, and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina has 14 percent...

In an October CNN/Opinion Research poll, Clinton was supported by 51 percent of Democratic voters and had a 30 point lead over Obama."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/05/poll.presidential.08/index.html :rofl:

She was piled on and thats all he got? :rofl:!!!

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I'm glad you're happy with the trends going on here! :rofl:

I am very happy with the trend, as is the Hillary campaign! :rofl:

If the next poll by the same pollster shows her bouncing back, only THEN can you make that claim. :rofl:

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Infinity.

Even by the poll you posted.

Your the one dreaming! :rofl:

I'm glad you see shrinking leads as a good thing. I'm sure you'll continue to be happy as the trend continues until the day Obama takes the lead. I guess you wouldn't have seen it coming. :rofl:

To bad he'll never know what sitting in first chair feels like. :rofl:

If someone has a large lead and she starts to drop, that's a downward trend. If the person she's leading increases his numbers, that's an upward trend. Until the downward line and upward line intersect, the one still in the lead will be in the lead...until she's not. I hope you can understand. It's not that difficult. :hi:

Which means she can drop go up, drop go up, and Obama is still where he is now, and always will be, Second fiddle. Thats what happens when you have a commanding lead. And second fiddle has a faltering campaign.

She's dropping and he's gaining. Unless you want to remain in denial, in which case I can't help you. :shrug:

I showed where it's been unchanged since the debate.

Why should we not wave this bloody shirt?

To say the least, clueless. To say the most, bought and paid for.

:eyes:

Things like this make me crazy trying to figure out how ANY DUer can support Hillary.

and we've hardly heard from them since. Yeah. Sure.

IMPEACH, TRY, CONVICT, REMOVE FROM OFFICE, INDICT, TRY, IMPRISON.

that has been going on for years.

Why would ANY Democrat do that?

he has not changed his general policy toward governing at all, while the GOP definitely will have learned how to deal with Hillary even if she wins the office. Standing still for the criminals is not moving ahead for the people.

in all my life.

He needs to just stay home and shut up. We're not beyond bush** and cheney ANYTHING. Of course, he doesn't want to upset Poopy I'm sure.

So I guess that begs to ask the question on who should "just stay home and shut up".

Doesn't anyone wonder about all this. I also recall Hillary Clinton and her trip or trips to see Kay Bailey Hutchison, not sure of dates, but this bothered me too!

These aren't the only reasons I oppose Hillary Clinton, there are many, but the Bush Connections really don't warm my "cockles!"

dem understands how he covered for both the Reagan and bush I administrations. They also know he floated in on the dot.com bubble and floated out in a cloud of disgrace when the bubble burst.

I don't know who you talk to but every dem I know really resents the fact that his attraction for dumpy unattractive women was too damn strong for him to resist. But the bigger sin, as far as most of us are concerned was the disingenuous attempt to lie his way out of his mess. That's where he betrayed his supporters and the party along with his family and friends.

Any intelligent person knows Bill is still well like as his approval rating shows. It's the people that are ignorant that don't understand that.

think 'hey, he's a Hillary supporter' and then I just take it as its meant. A stupid remark from a stupid man.

Forgiveness and injustice is what we can expect from an HRC presidency. And the neocons will rise again, just as they did after Nixon. If there are no repercussions from breaking the law, shredding the constitution, and murdering hundreds of thousands of people in criminal wars--OUR NIGHTMARE WILL NEVER END.

Bill Clinton belongs in the past. It is no longer the 90's. We are teetering on the edge of global disaster and a cumbaya circle jerk is not going to cut it.

It will take at least two democratic terms to make a dent in the economic destruction the bush regime has wrought. Recovering our standing in the world and making progress on the environment will take even longer. The country was just beginning to get over Reagan/Bush at the end of Clinton's second term. Healing takes time.

deficit. I wish I could believe it will only take a decade.

to say.."Let's move on and don't worry about all the enablers the last 7 years". "Vote hillary, and let's forget about all the crimes the bushits have perpetrated just like we did when I came in after pappybushshit".

"That way we can keep corporatewhores happy and perpetuate the myth and the people in the dark like fucking mushrooms".

Yeah, right bill.

... and the casual wink, wink attitude of those that could hold them accountable but have not. This is where the 'legacy' notion pays off. It's good to be king.

I'm never going to vote for Bill Clinton again

there is no significant support for impeachment. Just cause you or DU or the netroots thinks there is, doesn't make it so. Sorry to hit you with cold hard facts.

throughout the 90s whenever those outstanding matters would pop up.

I'll take his judgement over netroots nuts any day.

and the world the last 7 years, Jim.

It really doesn't matter what someone tells you, you will always blame the Clintons. See what you really want is a monarchy, not a democracy, then you want to have Kerry appointed King. Then he could just say "Off with his Head!" Simple, blm's problem solved.

and Iran wars and nuclear instability in nations like Pakistan.

YOU think protecting BushInc is somehow helpful to this nation JUST because you trust Bill Clinton's decision to do so.

Yours and my trust of Clinton's decisions in 1992 did end up hurting alot of people once Bush2 took over. YOUR trust in Clinton's willingness to move past even MORE crimes of office from BushInc2 ends up hurting ALL of us...again.

is for you to admit that the majority of Americans do not support your ideas on this.

so, you want me to lie to you just because you prefer closed government that has no accountability to the citizens just because Bill thinks its wise to protect secrecy and privilege of the Bushes.

Nope - I'm not into lying or pretending that wrong is right.

of the last 15 years, what else ya got?

when they say Americans don't want accountability.

You are pretty cavalier about serious matters that led to Bush2, 9-11, Iraq war, possible war with Iran and Pakistan's world of troubles.

Evidently you agreed with Bill that BushInc needed more protection than the American citizenry needed accountability because you trust his decision to side with secrecy and privilege.

I already knew that of course.

Try and imagine my response.

and you trust anything he does even when it benefits BushInc and hurts our party and nation and world.

Those who pursue their disagreement and anger with Bill's decision on this and who calls for accountability for BushInc is just a netroots nut.

That's the bottom line to this whole exchange.

You have set up a pretty straw man though.

you will trust no matter how much that decision ultimately hurt this nation.

Put it in a time capsule or something.

Here, I'll do it for you: Thank you Senator Kerry for royally screwing up our last four years by losing to the worst president in history and an imbecile to boot. Thank you for not answering back to the swift boat liars and ignoring them until the charges stuck. Thank you Senator Kerry for losing to a moron because you had the personality of a telephone pole instead of the all-out charm and charisma of Bill Clinton.

when he was another one of Poppy Bush's operatives in his illegal BCCI and IranContra dealings.

that he was listed as one of the outstanding matters in BCCI report he was handed when he took office.

Jackson Stephens was also a big part of BCCI.

Jackson Stephens bankrolled WalMart, and was a top benefactor of Poppy bUhsh's before he switched to Bill Clinton, and then Stephens switched back to Bush2 in 1999.

Uh....Bush1 expected to get impeached when the Dec1992 BCCI report came out - Jackson Stephens, a completely loyal BFEE man, switches to support Clinton - Bush then proceeded to run the worst campaign ever for a sitting president. Bill took office and then BCCI's outstanding matters went away.

Read Bill's book - there is not one mention of BCCI in his book.

It is a shame when even at DU we can find so many Democrats unaware of even recent history and that it effects everything happening today.

fighting terror and a good job in Iraq, and says so in 2004, how do you think that affects the polls? Does that help the encumbent Republican or the Democratic challenger?

This post is not about Kerry, but Clinton, who has clearly punted on REAL criticism of Bush, staying with domestic issues only until the run up to his wife running for president. Amazingly now, he STILL is punting on Bush. It boggles the mind.

our own crime to be "over it". There are a bunch of war criminals in the WH, and yeah, maybe in Bill's bubble it makes no more political sense to talk about Bush on the stump, but believe me -- we're never going to be over that crowd.

he became aware of but decided not to do anything about them "for the good of the nation" or some such shit . . . and look where that got us, i.e. Bush II -- bigger, bolder and badder . . .

ignoring presidential crimes is NOT the way to run a country . . .

But, hey, Bill Clinton is so brilliant and charming and .....who cares that he was so compromised long ago that he HAS NO CHOICE but to continue protecting the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite.

these days. I would love for them to be impeached, jailed, etc., but it's not at the forefront of my mind anymore (especially since Pelosi and Co. are such cowards when it comes to that).

:)

The most Americans want Cheney impeached, don't want a war in Iran, want the Iraq war to end, and they think Bush is the worst President in history.

The country ain't over Bush and Cheney, Bill!