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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:50 PM
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55% of married men would absolutely NOT vote for Hillary. I saw this
on Hardball. That scares me.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:52 PM
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1. I'm more scared that --
--you believe something you saw on Hardball.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:56 PM
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6. Yes, I believe the poll deserves attention, regardless of who announces
it. I thought only cons blamed the messenger.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:02 PM
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10. I thought only cons
believed everything they hear on television

so we're even,
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:52 PM
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2. Thanks for your concern
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 08:21 PM by Jim4Wes
I always thought there were more women than men?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:53 PM
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3. Nearly 30% of Democrats won't vote for Edwards.
That is much more scary.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:30 AM
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31. Ooga booga...what'm I gonna doooooooooo???????
:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:55 PM
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4. So if that really turns out to be true...
Then we'll just have to make sure the women turn out in force...

And that's assuming that HRC is our candidate...

What a sad commentary this is (your post) on the state of sexism in our country...

Just because she's a woman...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:16 PM
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11. I don't know that I buy the "just because she is a woman" logic
I am sure that there is some of that sentiment out there, but I really don't think it is as pravalent as people are attributing.

Hillary is a unique woman, there is no question. The problem I have with her is her non-stance on the issues and the playing the politics game for the sake of politics. She comes across to me as shrill and resentful -- not a woman in charge, but a woman on the edge of a cliff. Not stable.

Those are just my impressions, and yes, I am a female.

YMMV

:)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:55 PM
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5. My husband is one of them.
No way. No how.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:57 PM
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7. Is He Going To Vote For The Rethug?
DSB
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:57 PM
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8. Yeah, but she's sewn up the black, lesbian jew vote.
100%.
Got any more useless stats?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:01 PM
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9. I know Hilllary bashers love this but I dont believe a damn thing I hear on Hardball
Matthews has a hatred that won't quit for Hillary. And I hope some day it backfires in his common ass face.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:16 PM
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12. Hillary supporters scare me.
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:07 PM
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18. How do they scare you? What is about them that scares you?
Honest questions. I don't have a horse in this race, yet, but I will vote Democrat next November.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 PM
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22. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, but I'm not sure that some
Hillary voters will. They are so into tearing down other Democratic candidates.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:40 PM
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23. "They are so into tearing down other Democratic candidates."
:rofl:
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:22 PM
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26. This is a primary process. People hurt each other's feelings.
Hillary is going to attract some outspoken people, being as she is the first woman to run for the presidency. Barrack supporters and Edwards supporters don't seem much like shrinking violets to me. In 1960, I was an Adlai supporter and was very pissed when Kennedy got the nomination. I called a local DNC office complaining. I was told to get behind the nominee. Good advice then, and now. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, she and her supporters will be behind whomever is the nominee. She and her crew have been in this business too long not to.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:06 AM
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40. She's not the first woman to run for the presidency.
http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/Facts/CanHistory/prescand.pdf
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:10 AM
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47. Fear not, Hieronymus
The one time I recall this actually coming up in a DU thread, Hillary supporters overwhelmingly said they would vote for whoever the nominee turned out to be. Quite a contrast from the daily barrage of "I'll never vote for Hillary" posts on DU---although I think most of them are just bluster that will disappear by November next.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:20 PM
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13. I guess I'm the only one here who's not at all scared.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 08:21 PM by Perry Logan
Clinton, who tops national polls of Democrats, is strongest within her party. Only 10% of Democrats said they'd rule her out; nearly three times as many said they wouldn't vote for Edwards.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:22 PM
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14. I doubt any democrat has won married men since 1964
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 08:25 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
and probably not married women, either
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:31 PM
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15. Spot on - the male, married demographic is highly rep leaning anyway
I have seen this technique a few times lately. Take a statistic that has been true for several cycles, the reframe it against a candidate in order to frighten. Boo.

The married males, highly concentrated in a certain age bracket, that go for GOP since the racist southern strategy, add candidate name, frame it, exclaim it, stir lightly. Voila.

Good insight to spot this, K&H.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:32 PM
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16. Nice Myrna Loy avatar. Hubba hubba.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:54 PM
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27. Agree, great person, great actress, great democrat and a beaut to boot.
I had to make an avatar of her to acknowledge that.

With all the feces throwing BS on DU these days, your posts are a part of the GOOD side of this discussion board.
I don't care if we agree or not (hard to even know, in a place this big) I respect the way you approach subjects in a thoughtful and non-insulting way...you are an antidote to the shit-slingers...

Just wanted to make sure you know that is appreciated these days!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:34 PM
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17. LBJ Was The Last Dem To Win A Majority Of The White Vote
I think Clinton might have won a pluralitiy in 96 but I'm not sure...
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:13 PM
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19. I wonder how much white, Southern males skew that figure?
Revenge of the Confederacy, so to speak.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:16 PM
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20. The GOP has been too successful in framing her as the enemy.
At the virtual flip of a switch, they can invoke that special kind of ugly reserved for all things Clinton. It will be a 1990s redux hate festival.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:17 PM
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21. Softball said it....so it must be true NOT!!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:40 PM
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24. I wonder why? Married men don't like strong women?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:56 PM
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25. I saw that too..-- I had suspected there would some men
who would never vote for HRC. but maaried men in that large number
surprised me.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:52 PM
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28. Ms mitchum is a married woman who won't vote for Clinton
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:10 AM
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29. my hubby's gonna vote for her
he actually likes her best of all the candidates to date
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:53 AM
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32. mine, too. nm
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 02:53 AM by Alamom
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:20 AM
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30. I was trying to find the Harris Poll data to support this and couldn't
I searched:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=744
and
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/

It could be at that site some where, but I could not find it.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:59 AM
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33. Hillary Is A Bush War Enabler - I Will Not Vote For Her
I am a divorced man!
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:25 AM
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34. I am a woman and I am absolutely not voting for her
and neither is my man.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:31 AM
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44. Considering we'll lose the right to choose if ANY of the...
...Republicans get elected ~ that doesn't make much sense (unless you're just talking about not voting for her in the primary).
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:31 AM
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35. Not scared. 57% of Married went for Bush in 2004
These numbers will change often before the first votes are cast.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:48 AM
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36. Buncha freakin' Toby Keith wannabes. (nt)
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 03:49 AM by oasis
Screw 'em. :puke:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:10 AM
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37. 65% of re-married men say Rudy Giuliani is their role model
I don't have any evidence to back this up but it's another example of the kind of statistic I think is meaningless at this point.

None of the candidates currently running (in both parties) will be able to win 40+ states in November 2008.

We are not looking at a landslide. It will be a close election whoever we pick as our nominee.

I agree that "electability" is an issue. But there are other more important issues.

Like which candidate has the qualities we are looking for in our next President.

I admit that this year it's a tough call - with Al Gore out of the picture.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:28 AM
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38. I'm a married man and I'll vote for her if she's nominated
I'll vote for whatever Dem candidate gets nominated. There's too much at stake not to vote for the Democratic candidate.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:50 AM
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39. of course...and they wouldn't vote for any woman,
and some would never vote for a minority, and some would never vote for a Mormon...and these polls are pretty silly.

This is a dead end line of thinking.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:49 AM
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41. Big Deal.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:53 AM
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42. My husband will vote for her if she wins the nomination...
But he's heard guys at the office say they won't. A lot of that is boys' club bluster ~ when it comes right down to it Dem men will vote for her, if only to please their wives.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:03 AM
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43. LMAO! Yes, That's Nice OP, Run Along. 55% of Married Men Make Up? Oh, Wait, That Electorial
College. Oh yeah. How'd that go again? No one is going to vote for a Republican. Nice try. Tweedy Bird is politically dead and irrelevant. He has gotten every fact and prediction wrong and will try to bash Hillary any chance he gets.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:05 AM
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45. On Hardball?
theres some solid facts there boy!
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:09 AM
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46. They will if their wives tell 'em to.
:P
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:35 PM
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48. Chris Matthews claims that's how it really works...
He said men listen to their wives when giving directions while driving ~ and they'll listen to their wives about this.
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