I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party for President of the United States in Nov 2008

Who's with me?

Onward!!! :bounce:

That's nice. I'm happy for you.

Your poll is to narrow for my participation, however.

that you wouldn't be voting for both?

It does go without saying, you know, that NOT pulling out of Iraq will make it impossible for us to do anything progressive at home.

Or even to reverse any of the massive Bush cuts in social services.

But you have no right to DEMAND it so arrogantly.

This whole thread is McCarthyism.

Welcome to America.

upon finally understand the thread originator's actual allegiance.

It sounds like something a hard-line HRC type would do.

You set yourself up for being misunderstood.

But I'm sick of people coming here to DU seemingly for no other reason than to attack Democrats using pure RW propaganda paid for by Richard Mellon Scaife, carefully crafted at the Heritage Foundation & the Family Research Council, blessed by Pat Robertson & Dennis Prager & disseminated by Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Savage & Drudge.

Of course Hillary is a cold, conniving bitch. Of course Dennis is a space alien. Obama is an empty suit. Biden thinks he's William Shakespeare. Edwards is a faggot. Gravel has Alzheimer's... And I know all this why? BECAUSE I HEARD IT ON FOX NEWS! AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

I posted this because - even though they are not perfect - ANY of our candidates will be a better President than ANY Republican candidate. The little fascists on the right all want to expand the war, expand Gitmo & don't think we torture enough.

And if our candidates seem too timid - its no wonder when supposedly loyal Democrats are more than willing to use any means to rip them to shreds.

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...who put ANY political party before the best interests of their nation.

n/t

I was a major proponent of Democrat at all costs. With 100% certainty, either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate will be declared President. A vote for anyone other than the Democrat is, in effect, a vote for the repuke.

I fully supported Gore, financially and by volunteering. I battled long and hard against the Naderites on this forum.

Again, during the 2004 debacle, I worked my ass off for Kerry and other Democrats, only to see the election stolen again and to see Kerry quit and run away. Still, I believed in the politics of pragmatism--any Democrat is preferable to any repuke and a vote for anyone other than the Democrat is effectively a vote for the repuke.

Since 2006, I have seen congressional "democrats" endorse: the continuation of the illegal occupation of Iraq; the granting of ever-wider powers to the executive branch; allowing war criminals to escape even token justice; confirmation of extremist, unqualified nominee after extremist, unqualified nominee; the continuation of institutionalized election fraud, bribery of elected officials and government of, by and for the oligarchy; promoting the corporation as superior to the people; further destruction of civil liberties; the benefit of the wealthy at the expense of the working class; winking and nudging king george over the prospect of illegally attacking Iran; and now torture.

There have been a few notable exceptions within the national Democratic Party to the above pattern, but the pattern has been consistent and inexorable.

I will support Dennis Kucinich through the primaries. Should he win the nomination, I will devote myself to seeing that he is elected President and takes office. Otherwise, for the first time since the election of 1976, my vote is no longer a certainty for the Democratic nominee.

vacancies.

Maybe 3 or 4 new SCOTUS vacancies moving into the 4-8 year range of a two-term administration.

using the "support the troops" as a fig leaf?

There is a good likelihood that Bush will bomb Iran before Election Day.

I mention this because a significant portion of the antiwar Left will reject any candidate that endorses any of Bush's crimes.

He won't bomb Iran

and let the witch burnings begin!

(P.S. that would be choice #2)

I guarantee you that if Hillary becomes the nominee and Bush bombs Iran, she will support the bombing just as she supported the invasion of Iraq once it began. In doing so, she will lose any hopes of getting the votes of those that are opposed to the war on the grounds that it is illegal, immoral, and unethical.

It won't make any difference what we in DU say or do, the fact will remain that millions of voters will never vote for a candidate that endorses or supports a third war front.