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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:52 AM
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Zogby poll shows Hillary's campaign is in death spiral
Clinton

28% Nov. 6

30% Aug. 17

24% May 15

25% March 26

16% Jan. 16


http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1385
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:55 AM
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1. It's been a dead het for Months.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 11:56 AM by William769
But thanks for pointing out that Hillary is still first in the dead heat. Warms my heart.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:39 PM
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8. Obama will beat Hillary, and make both of us proud, dear Willie.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 PM
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10. I admire your spunk.
Even though you are in for a big let down.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:41 PM
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12. If my man loses, I'll support Hillary, dear Willie. Still, I have faith.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:19 PM
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23. Down 2 (two) points in over 2 (two) months is a "death spiral"??
The OP should be nominated for a Humor DUzy!
:rofl:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:42 PM
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33. As a die-hard HRC detractor..
.... I assume this is a joke or sarcasm. Two points doesn't even cover the statistical margin of error. It's meaningless.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:56 AM
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2. A little too soon to say "death spiral"
but she is not in as good of shape as she has been.

Statistically, she is at the same place as August.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:10 PM
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3. "Death spiral" may be a bit strong, but here is the most worrisome part of the poll for Hillary:
Zogby points out that the race is tighter when second-choice support is considered:

However, the race tightens dramatically when second choices are factored into the mix – a critical wrinkle in the Iowa caucuses. In the caucuses, a first round of “balloting” is conducted, and those candidates who do not win at least 15% support are ruled “unviable” and supporters are directed to a second choice among those who remained “viable” before a second round of “balloting” is conducted. Zogby polling shows Edwards makes big strides as a second–choice candidate, jumping six percent ...
- 30% - Clinton
- 29% - Obama
- 27% - Edwards
Hillary should be very concerned that Obama is getting TWICE AS MUCH second choice support as her and Edwards is getting THREE TIMES AS MUCH second-choice support.

I like where Obama and Edwards are in Iowa at this stage. I'd love to see Hillary finish third, which currently seems entirely possible. This would set Hillary back immeasurably in New Hampshire, and if Hillary cannot win Iowa or New Hampshire, she's suddenly in deep trouble.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:38 PM
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6. Don't forget Nevada.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 PM
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11. Don't you suppose New Hampshire will come before Nevada?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:44 PM
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13. Not sure. Nevada is a caucus and was scheduled to be before NH on the 19th.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:31 PM
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15. I thought New Hampshire's primary hadn't been scheduled yet but was sure to be set before Nevada's
caucus.

Has something happened which I missed?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:33 PM
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4. As the other candidates gang up on her what do you expect?
Republicans don't bash other republicans, we bash the shit out of each other and wonder why we drop in the polls.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:39 PM
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7. We don't 'bash' each other.
We, in our search for the best candidate, feel free to question everything about a candidate. We do not annoint our leader.

The "McCain's black baby" did not come from a Democratic source - the repukes can be just as bad to each other as they are to us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:04 PM
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14. Well, WWHD? What Would Hillary Do?
Would she man a swiftboat for Bush and the RW smear machine if she thinks it will benefit her personally?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:40 PM
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17. They are in competition with each other... they all do it... both parties.
We drop in the polls cause we keep showing the public that we just can't or won't follow up on what we claim we stand for.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:14 PM
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21. They all do it?
Have I missed Mitt bashing Fred? Rudi bashing McCain?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:16 PM
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22. Apparently so, yes.
You've missed them all accusing each other of not being "real" republicans?

How'd you manage that?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:19 PM
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24. You must not pay much attention to the Republicans
Our candidates argue with each other.

Theirs are a few steps away from pulling guns.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:37 PM
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5. contrary to all other polls. Good ol' Zogby!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:55 PM
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29. Therefor the ONLY poll to be believed
Among those who disbelieve the polls!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:39 PM
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9. Gee, Zogby international poll has had HRC's campaign
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 PM by BenDavid
dead for about a month and a half now, but other polls are reflecting something altogether different. She actually has increased her lead in a majority of the polls or maintaining her lead in the others, but before all you obama and edwards folks hoop and holler, most of those same polls show no movement by either obama or edwards and in a couple obama has moved up by 2 points and edwards has dropped....

We will know how it goes come January 3,2008 when Iowa holds a vote....Early prediction: HRC wins by 7% points....Iowa

Ben David
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:22 PM
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27. I really do wonder who they polled
'Cause those numbers are all very weird. Perhaps they were polling Texan trailor parks, Cuban Miami neighborhoods, and Idaho militia communities to get numbers like this?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:38 PM
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16. ROTFLMFAO
That's what they call sloppy social science or ignore all the evidence except the evidence that makes my case;ergo:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/iowa-primary.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:49 PM
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18. omg - she dropped TWO POINTS since Aug.
YIKES!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:50 PM
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19. In A Wobbly One Day Zomby Poll
What's the over/under that the she drops out of the race by Thanksgiving?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:53 PM
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20. Something smells
like desperation
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:20 PM
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25. That's a death spiral?
Jeez.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:22 PM
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26. Is this sarcasm? What am I missing? n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:23 PM
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28. Well, at least the colorful language is impressive. nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:02 PM
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30. Lame thread shows anti-Hillarites have heads up butts.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:02 PM by Perry Logan
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:18 PM
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31. Death Spiral? What are you talking about?
That isn't even close. It is down 2 points from AUGUST and the moe is 4.5

*sigh*
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:35 PM
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32. I'm not a supporter but I don't believe this.
It would be a dream come true for me but her campaign is not in a death spiral.
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