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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:50 AM
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Why won't Reid move an AMT patch before the Nov. 16 IRS deadline?
Alternative-tax "patch" in jeopardy

"The Internal Revenue Service set a Nov. 16 deadline to finalize forms and instructions for the 2008 tax-filing system. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said earlier this week that he won't move an AMT patch before Thanksgiving.

By missing the Friday deadline, lawmakers will mess up the timely issuance of tax refunds for millions of taxpayers. The IRS and Treasury Department estimate a patch not passed by early December could delay issuance of $75 billion in refunds to taxpayers who file 2007 tax returns before March 31, 2008. Additionally, 12 tax forms — one for the AMT and 11 others for various tax credits — would be affected by the delay.

"I think the folks that are using the term 'train wreck' are being very precise," a Senate Republican staffer close to the tax-writing process said. The staffer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Senate is backed up with votes still to come on a controversial farm bill, several spending bills and a continuing resolution to fund government operations."


Millions more will be affected by this if Congress does not act.

Prognosis for AMT: Minimal Change Ahead

The alternative minimum tax (AMT), enacted in 1986 to make sure that a handful of millionaires paid at least some federal income tax, has come to affect tens of millions of taxpayers -- most not even close to being millionaires. But even though the AMT is taking a tax bite out of a burgeoning number of filers, the outcry most likely will continue to be addressed by temporary annual fixes, not the abolishment of the AMT, according to tax experts at the School of Accountancy in the W. P. Carey School of Business.

Charles Christian, Director of the School of Accountancy, says a temporary increase to the AMT exemption amount in 2006 kept upper-middle-income taxpayers from being gouged. Congress is expected to adjust the exemption again -- to some degree -- for the 2007 tax year. If they do not, an estimated 23 million taxpayers will be subject to the AMT this year.


I don't know the income levels affected, but I think it is definitely getting into what is middle class territory.

Why would Reid delay a vote on this until after Thanksgiving?


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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:55 AM
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1. I think couples making about 100K together start to get hit, and over 125K it really hurts.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:59 AM
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2. I really don't like Harry Reid
He's also managed to stall the breast cancer legislative agenda this year.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:15 AM
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3. It's bush that's stalling this
The loss of revenue from changing the AMT level will have to be made up elsewhere. That would require bush's "have mores" actually paying some tax, which will never happen. Bush has already promised a veto on any change that achieves revenue neutrality through making his base pay any taxes.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:20 AM
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4. Last night CNN did a piece. A family of four making 66,000
dollars annually gets their tax burden almost doubled. Not
fully doubled but a hit which can ruin some.

Since both parties are wedded to the Ruling Class, it is going
to be interesting to see what happens.

If our party were the party of the people, they would have
taken photo's of the GOP turning purple and screaming as
the protected the Rich Taxpayers. A great commericail
America--here is living proof --The GOP Protects the Rich.
They were fighting the idea of any taxation changes on the
rich.

I fear our DLC/Blue Dogs will go with the GOP when the
crunch comes.

Watch this Debate and you will see what has happened to
the Democratic Party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:23 PM
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7. I did not realize it was down to 66.000. Now that is scary.
To me that would seem to be a priority, so why wait until after Thanksgiving.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:38 PM
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11. I'd suspect anything that CNN puts out.
Inflation and "bracket creep" are the reasons that some middle class people are starting to feel the effects. I know that 10 years ago I was earning in the low 80's plus my wife's meager salary, with no dependents, and we weren't subject to AMT.

I don't know the exact figures, but, if it's 66k for a family of 4, I sure would have qualified back then.

As for the question, "Why doesn't Reid do anything"?

Short answer, he's a cowardly corporate asshole.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:27 PM
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5. President Bill Clinton vetoed the repeal of AMT
now that AMT is hitting upper and mid-middle class families, the failure of the Democratic Congress to fix the problem will bode ill for our chances at the polls next year.

Just what the hell is this Congress waiting for?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:31 PM
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6. You are right-- Family of 4, $66,000 gets hit hard and
this is really middle class.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:38 PM
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8. Reid is TERRIBLE in sooooo many ways. He must go. rec'd
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:25 PM
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9. Reid is handing GOP a legitimate issue to exploit
Middle class taxpayers won't take too kindly to a Congress that screws this up.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:15 PM
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10. Has there been anymore about this?
The House passed a "patch" last week.
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roxnev Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:29 PM
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12. I bet you really cried
When Bush lowered the food stamps that the poo received
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:47 PM
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13. That makes no sense.
:shrug:

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